What causes ripple-like edge marks on black-and-white film negatives?

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I recently started shooting black-and-white film (Ilford ISO 50) in a Pentax ME. On my latest developed photos, I noticed a ripple-like pattern along the border/edge of the frame. I'm trying to figure out what might cause this. Could it be from loading the film incorrectly, or is it more likely a processing issue such as agitation marks or a light leak?

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There are three likely causes of this kind of mark on the film.

First, bromide drag from insufficient agitation. Second, surge marks from excessive agitation. Neither one is very likely for film developed by a commercial lab, though they're certainly a possibility.

The third possibility is a light leak -- not in the camera, but in the cassette, specifically at the time of processing. If you wound the leader all the way into the cassette when you unloaded the film, the lab would have used a leader retriever to get it back out (they don't pop the tops on cassettes, generally, but rather pull the film out the same way your camera would). Most leader retrievers are thicker than the film, so they wedge the cassette's felt light seal open and can let light in.

This usually doesn't matter, because the film is reasonably opaque due to the antihalation layer, and the loading leader is generally long enough to wrap over and protect the rest of the film. The exception to this protection is at the sprocket holes; a ham-handed leader retrieval can let enough light into the cassette to expose through the sprocket holes two or three layers deep, and if you load your camera carefully and shoot on frame 0, you might actually see the light from retrieving the leader where it leaks through the sprockets to affect actual image.

Note that this explanation is only valid if you see the marks only on a couple frames at the beginning of the roll (edge marking frame numbers 00, 0, 1, 2 or so). If they're present on all the negatives, you're back to either surge marks or bromide drag, or just remotely possible, a light leak in the processing equipment (even some commercial labs process black and white in inversion type tanks; more in Jobo style automatic processing machines that use daylight tanks).

Per the processing lab, the film was done with a "dip and dunk machine" -- these generally hang the film from a clip with a weight at the bottom and agitate by lifting and lowering; if there were surge marks or bromide drag in such a machine process, the marks would run parallel to the length of the film. Further, film for such a process is usually removed from the cassette inside the machine's dark volume (typically a small room), and a light leak in that environment wouldn't produce sprocket fogging.

There are dip and dunk systems that have film on steel reels stacked on a lifting rod; those could potentially produce surge marks or on-reel light strikes, because they have to be unloaded from the cassette and run onto the reel by a human, usually in a glove box attached to the machine. Putting arms in and out of the gloves while the film is open could produce a limited light strike, and if the film is rolled on to the reel already, sprocket marks could result, though I wouldn't expect exactly this -- there should be general fog on at least some frames (usually near the end of the roll, as that's on the outside of the reel -- unless the film was only partially loaded when this occurred).

This type of machine could also produce development related marks that run across the film, like these, but should do so on the entire roll if it's going to, as well as on other rolls processed at the same time.

That pretty much leaves a light leak while inside the cassette as the only likely cause. Leader retrieval is still on the table, but it's also possible this could have occurred if the film was loaded into the camera in bright, direct light, or unloaded with the leader out, in bright, directly light -- or a momentary leak from the camera's back hinge that affected only film already out of the cassette, except that would have produced overall fogging on at least a couple frames directly at the leak.

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This kind of edge ripple is usually not caused by loading the film incorrectly. Based on the answers, the most likely causes are:

  1. Processing marks — either bromide drag from too little agitation or surge marks from too much agitation during development.
  2. Light leak at the cassette during processing — especially if the film leader was wound fully into the cassette and the lab used a leader retriever. That can pry open the felt light seal and let light fog the film near the edges.

If a commercial lab processed it, agitation problems are possible but less likely than a cassette/leader-related light leak. Edge-localized marks strongly suggest something happening during handling or processing rather than exposure in the camera.

To reduce the chance of this happening again, leave the film leader out when rewinding if your lab prefers that, and ask the lab whether they use a leader retriever or open the cassette. If the issue repeats across rolls and labs, then investigate the camera for light leaks.

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