Should I replace my 100-400mm with a 70-200mm f/2.8 plus 2x extender for indoor and outdoor sports?

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I shoot sports with a Canon 5D Mark II. Right now I have a 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6, which I really like for outdoor sports, but it performs poorly for indoor events like volleyball. I previously used a 70-200mm f/2.8 indoors and got much better results.

I'm considering selling the 100-400mm and getting a 70-200mm f/2.8 with a 2x teleconverter so I can cover both indoor and outdoor sports. My concern is whether autofocus speed and overall performance with the 2x extender would be too compromised for outdoor sports like soccer and horseback riding.

Is this a good compromise, or is there a better lens setup for shooting both indoor and outdoor athletics?

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I am an athletics photographer, and I have a dilemma. First off, I use the 5D Mark II body. Currently, I own the 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 USM II, and I LOVE it... except for indoor photos. Before I purchased this lens, I used the 70-200mm f/2.8 for indoor volleyball and the photos turned out great, but I needed the 400mm for other outdoor sports.

You most likely need both lenses. 70-200/2.8 is great for indoors where distances are not as great as they are outdoors and the artificial lights are dim. It's darker indoors than what you think. 100-400/4.5-5.6 is great for outdoors in daylight where light is plentiful and distances may be large.

But recently I went to another indoor game, and the quality with the 400mm is just terrible.

The reason is that Canon 100-400 is a slow lens. It's mainly useful during the daylight hours outdoors. Indoors, you can't reasonably shoot fast action with the 100-400. Your choices to gather light are:

  • Bump up the ISO on your current body. This results in grainy images, and there is a limit: 5D Mark II cannot go over ISO 6400 unless you use ISO expansion (hint: don't!). The recommended option is to shoot RAW and use Canon Digital Photo Professional on a computer to apply good noise reduction to the RAW images, but it can't do miracles. A 5D Mark II is a dated body and newer bodies would have less noise with high ISO values.
  • Slow down the shutter speed. But, this results in motion blur.
  • Purchase a new body so that you can bump up the ISO without having excessive noise/graininess. Unfortunately, a 5D Mark IV costs a lot.
  • Use a faster aperture lens such as 70-200/2.8.
  • Use a flash. Seriously, don't do this for indoors sports!

A 5D Mark II body goes up to ISO 6400; a 5D Mark IV body goes up to ISO 32000. This does not necessarily mean 5D Mark IV can shoot at 1/4 of the shutter speed with no additional noise; the 5D Mark IV images at ISO 32000 are probably more noisy than 5D Mark II images at ISO 6400.

I'm considering swapping out my 400mm for the 200 with a 2x extender, so I can get those indoor shots

Don't. The image quality degradation of a 2x extender may be severe. As far as I can see, there are only two reasons why you might want to have 70-200/2.8 + 2x extender instead of 70-200 + 100-400:

  1. The weight. 70-200/2.8 + 2x extender is lighterweight than 70-200/2.8 + 100-400
  2. The price. A 70-200/2.8 is an expensive lens and so is 100-400.

Of these, I don't see (1) as a problem. Typically when you shoot something, you have an idea of what you're going to shoot so you can decide what gear to bring with you. I wouldn't carry both 70-200/2.8 and 100-400 at the same time ever.

So the only problem is (2). Something to consider:

  • Canon 100-400 costs 2200 EUR
  • Canon 70-200/2.8 IS costs 2100 EUR
  • Canon 2x extender costs 500 EUR
  • Tamron 100-400 costs 800 EUR
  • Tamron 70-200/2.8 G2 costs 1500 EUR

Let's say you can recoup 70% of the price when selling your used gear. For your Canon 100-400 you can get 1540 EUR. Now, what to buy with it:

  • If you buy Canon 70-200/2.8 IS + 2x extender, you have to pay 2600 EUR, meaning you need to somehow get 1060 EUR from somewhere.
  • If you buy Tamron 100-400 + 70-200/2.8 G2, you have to pay 2300 EUR, meaning you need to somehow get 760 EUR from somewhere.

I would pick the Tamron two-lens combo instead of the fast Canon telezoom + 2x extender.

I see third-party lenses as a better option here. However, there are some things to consider:

  • Autofocus may be less accurate on 3rd party lenses.
  • Autofocus may be slower on 3rd party lenses.
  • 3rd party lenses may not be compatible with Canon teleconverters.
  • 3rd party lenses may require firmware update to work on newer bodies, should you upgrade your body.
  • 3rd party lenses after manufacturer's support ends may not receive any firmware updates anymore, so you may not have the ability to purchase a new body anymore after a long amount of time.
  • 3rd party lenses do not have in-camera lens corrections.
  • 3rd party lenses do not have lens corrections in Canon's Digital Photo Professional; especially you cannot use Digital Lens Optimizer with them.

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A 70-200mm f/2.8 and a 100-400mm serve different jobs well, so replacing one with the other is usually a compromise.

For indoor sports, the problem is light: the 100-400mm is much slower at f/4.5-5.6, so it struggles in dim gyms. A 70-200mm f/2.8 is a much better indoor sports lens because it lets in far more light and is a proven choice for volleyball and similar events.

For outdoor field sports, the 100-400mm is useful because you often need the extra reach in daylight.

A 70-200mm f/2.8 with a 2x extender can add reach, but extenders reduce light and can slow autofocus, so it’s not an ideal one-lens answer if you need fast, reliable sports performance.

The most practical solution is to keep the 100-400mm for outdoor sports and add a 70-200mm f/2.8 for indoor work if possible. If budget allows, a fast telephoto prime such as a 300mm f/2.8 is an excellent higher-end option for sports, but it’s a much more expensive route.

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