Why do some modern speedlights list longer full-power flash durations than older flashes?

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I noticed an old Regula flash is specified at about 1/1000s at full power, while many older Metz units of similar power are around 1/200s and a modern Godox TT685 is around 1/300s. Why do modern on-camera flashes often seem to have longer full-power flash durations? Is this due to different bulbs or electronics, or are the published specs measuring different things?

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There could be a difference in which duration is being reported, T.1 vs T.5; T.1 is typically ~ 2-3x longer... typically T.5 time is reported. It's also likely that the differences are due to bulb/electronic design differences.

But I think there may be some issues with the premise of your question.

Thyristor controlled flashes have their fastest duration at full power; but it is typically still rather slow. The fastest durations come from LED based flashes, but at very low power. And with modern IGBT flashes higher duration speeds also occur at lower output power; none of those really help you to overpower the sun by using faster SS's.

Most modern IGBT speedlights have a T.1 time around 1/250 and a T.5 time of ~ 1/1000. For instance the SB700 has a T.5 of 1/1042 and a T.1 of 1/305, so I think your information is suspect.

https://gock.net/blog/2012/flash-durations-small-strobes/ https://improvephotography.com/46974/flash-duration-speedlights-long-pop-flash/ https://www.konsul-instruments.com/en/flash-duration-gallery/

And the flash duration doesn't have much to do with the shutter speed you can use; that is controlled by shutter travel time. And most focal plane shutters (mechanical, electronic/rolling) are relatively slow at around 1/250 or longer.

There are two exceptions to where flash duration does relate to usable shutter speed. As you mentioned, aperture (Leaf) type shutters is one; but that is not found in modern DSLRs to my knowledge... it is found in some small sensor/compact cameras. The other is using tail sync which is a dumb (no communication) unsync'd technique which has other drawbacks; such as needing a manual timing offset to correct the sync, and fading across the image. A third potential exception could be a global electronic shutter; if they ever implement those.

But those exceptions are rare at best, or something of a work-around trick; they are not commonly available/used to overpower the sun so there isn't a lot of reason to design for it.

A common method to overpower the sun is to use ND filters which allows you to use slower SS's and full flash power. And with modern IGBT flashes high speed sync is common, which causes the flash to act as a constant light source (at reduced power) allowing the use of higher SS's.

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A big part of the difference is likely how flash duration is specified. Manufacturers may quote either T.5 or T.1 duration, and T.1 is usually about 2–3× longer than T.5. So one flash listed at 1/1000s may not actually be faster than another listed at 1/300s if they’re using different measurement standards.

Design also matters. Older thyristor flashes and modern IGBT speedlights behave differently: with many modern IGBT units, the shortest durations happen at lower power, not full power. At full power, speedlights are often relatively slow. That means short flash duration is not generally what helps “overpower the sun.” In normal sync operation, ambient exposure is mainly controlled by shutter speed up to the camera’s sync limit, while flash exposure depends on flash output, distance, aperture, and beam concentration.

So the apparent change in specs is not necessarily because modern flashes are worse; it’s often a mix of different reporting methods and different circuit behavior. Comparing flash duration numbers is only meaningful when the same standard (especially T.1 vs T.5) is used.

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