Vivitar E3800N frame counter stays on “S” and shutter is stuck — is this normal?
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On a new Vivitar E3800N, the frame counter remains at “S” even after rewinding, and turning the internal spool by hand does not change it. The shutter button also seems stuck. Is the camera faulty, or do these cameras only reset or advance the frame counter in a specific way when loading or removing film? Can the counter be returned to zero without film loaded?
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I don't know about your specific model, but many roll film cameras will not reset the exposure count until you open the film door (the back of the camera). That was pretty much universal among the 35mm SLRs and rangefinders I've owned over the years. The frame count is generally hooked up mechanically to the film advance mechanism, which is disengaged when the film is being rewound (the rewind button releases a toothed clutch on the take-up spool, disconnecting it from the film advance and shutter-cocking gear train).
The "S..." is probably indicating that the start of the film (the tongue) hasn't been moved yet. You normally have to advance two frames before you actually get to usable film (since the tongue protrudes and will be exposed when loading). Try "dry firing" the camera without any film loaded. You should see the frame counter advancing as you shoot (provided that you aren't pressing the rewind button at the time). If that's working properly, the problem is either with the way you've loaded the film or with that particular roll of film (a mechanical problem within the canister).
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This is likely normal, not a fault.
On many 35mm film cameras, the frame counter does not reset until you open the camera back. It also usually will not advance just by turning an internal spool by hand, because the counter is mechanically linked to the normal film advance/shutter-cocking mechanism.
“S” typically means the camera is still at the start position. After loading film, you normally advance and fire the shutter about twice to move past the exposed leader before the counter reaches frame 1.
Also, during rewind the mechanism is usually disengaged, so rewinding will not drive the frame counter.
If you want to reset it without film, open the back and check whether the counter returns to its start position. Then close it and try advancing/firing normally. If the shutter is stuck, it may be because the camera has not been properly advanced/cocked yet.
So: the counter generally won’t be set back to zero manually, and staying at “S” until the camera is loaded and advanced is expected behavior.
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