Canon AE-1: film advanced past 36 exposures and rewound with no tension — was it loaded correctly?
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I loaded a 36-exposure roll of 35mm Fujifilm into my Canon AE-1 and shot the roll, but when I reached frame 36 I was still able to keep advancing the lever. Normally the camera stops near the end of the roll.
When I tried to rewind, I pressed the rewind release and turned the rewind crank, but I felt no tension at all. In a dark room I opened the back and found only a short leader outside the canister. After removing the cassette, I also could not rewind the film by turning the cassette spool by hand.
Did I actually expose this roll, or was the film never properly engaged with the take-up/spool? Why would the frame counter keep advancing if the film was not really moving?
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I have an AE1, On the AE1 the film counter will continue to progress ( the numbers will keep advancing) from 1 to 38 regardless of whether or not there is film in the camera, if there is no film in the camera you can keep actuating the shutter (after 38 is visible )and using the film advance lever forever.
If you had loaded your film properly (the sprocket holes were captured by the sprocket pins on the advance spool) then the film would advance until all of it was pulled from the cassette. If the piece of tape that holds the film to the spool in the cassette is still attached then film will stop advancing and you will not be able to use the advance lever. if the tape is broken the film continues to advance until it is all on the advance spool and the advance lever will continue be usable. In this scenario If you opened the camera then all of the film would be on the advance spool ( out of the cassette and past the shutter ) and the camera could not rewind the film.
For the winding problem two possibilities. When you opened your camera and saw that the leader of the film was still out of the cassette then either
1- The film was properly loaded onto the advance spool and the film did not advance because of a mechanical issue with the camera or
2- the film was not properly loaded and the sprocket pins did not grab the sprocket holes. ( this is the most likely scenario and is supported by the fact that the counter did not run backwards while turning the rewind knob )
Now for the film not being rewindable by the camera or by hand would suggest that the tape that holds the film to the cassette spool has failed.
I would surmise that you did not expose the film, ( it did not advance in the camera) coincidentally and confusingly, the film cassette was not rewinding properly.
You can do a test clip, go into the darkroom ( no light ) pull out 3 or 4 inches of film and cut it off (leave enough to cut a new leader ) develop the clip and see if there are any images. If the film is not exposed you can open the fuji cassette take the film and load it onto a bulk film re-loadable cassette and use it as normal or shoot the fuji cassette in your camera but you will not be able to rewind it back to the cassette, you will have to take the camera back to the dark room to open the camera, push the rewind button, carefully and straight pull the film out of the camera. develop or put in light tight canister to take to lab.
Or write the film off as a loss open it in daylight and see why i will not rewind. Let us know.
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Most likely the film was not properly engaged, or the film separated from the cassette spool.
On the Canon AE-1, the frame counter advances with the camera mechanism, not by sensing actual film movement. So the counter can reach 36 and beyond even if no film is being transported. Likewise, if the film leader was not securely caught by the take-up/sprockets, the advance lever can keep working normally.
Because you felt no rewind tension, and because the film would not rewind by turning the cassette spindle by hand, the strongest clue is that the film detached from the cassette spool. That usually means the film is mostly still inside the cassette and may never have been pulled across the camera at all.
There is a small chance the roll was exposed correctly and then separated very near the end during rewind, so it may still be worth having it developed. But based on your symptoms, the more likely outcome is that the roll was not actually transported through the camera.
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