How many color patches do I need to create an ICC profile for my printer and paper?

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I’m trying to improve print color from a Canon photo printer on Canon paper, but I can’t find an ICC profile for this exact combination. I’m considering making one myself or using a lab service.

I’ve seen target charts ranging from a few hundred patches to several thousand. An IT8 chart has about 290 patches, but some printer-profiling workflows use far more. How many patches are actually needed for a useful printer profile?

Also, if a scanner is only calibrated from a relatively small target, does it make sense to use a much larger printer target scanned back in? For non-fine-art printing, what’s a practical patch count, and is a scanner-based workflow good enough compared with a lab or spectrophotometer-based profile?

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Having worked on generating ICC profiles some years back...

First, profiles and calibration are separate things. Calibration means making sure that you get a consistent output for a given input (for output devices) or vice versa for inputs.

There's no point in trying to generate a profile for an inconsistent process. Once you've calibrated it, THEN you can think about profiling it. Note that for output devices, you're really profiling the WHOLE output process - printer, media, inks, enviromental conditions, drying process, etc.

For profiling output devices, professionals use devices called spectrophotometers. These measure the printed output (after it's had time to dry properly) by measuring the reflectance of each patch at many different wavelengths. This lets the device work out an accurate XYZ tristimulus value - basically, an accurate way of measuring what the printed colour looks like under standard illumination.

Then the clever bit takes place - knowing what the printed patches look like, for a given set of input values, the profile generation software can work out what values to feed to the printer to end up with a desired colour.

How many patches you need depends on how good the profile generating software is, and how well it models interactions between different channels.

more patches allow for dumber models, or better information for clever models.

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Patch count matters less than the measurement method and process consistency. For printer profiling, you should first make sure the whole print process is stable: printer, paper, ink, settings, environment, and drying time. Then profile that exact combination.

A scanner-based workflow is generally not ideal for printer profiling. Scanners are not reliable color-measurement devices in the same way a spectrophotometer is, and printer profiles made by scanning prints back in are usually less accurate. Labs and serious users typically read printed targets with a spectrophotometer after the prints have dried.

More patches can improve accuracy, especially for difficult colors and smoother interpolation, but only if the measurements themselves are accurate. A large target measured poorly is not better than a smaller target measured well.

So the practical answer is: use a spectrophotometer-based service or device if you want a worthwhile custom ICC profile. For everyday photo printing, a moderate patch set measured properly is usually enough; thousands of patches are mainly for squeezing out the last bit of accuracy. If you’re not doing critical fine-art work, prioritize a good measurement method over the biggest target chart.

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