Why is autofocus faster on some mirrorless cameras than DSLR live view if both use contrast detect?

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Many early-2010s DSLRs were slow to autofocus in live view because they relied on contrast-detect AF, which worked best on mostly static subjects. Yet some mirrorless cameras from the same era, such as the Olympus OM-D E-M5, were widely praised for much faster AF despite also using contrast-detect. If both systems use the same basic CDAF method, what makes mirrorless implementations faster? Is it mainly sensor/readout speed and processing, lens motor design, or the fact that DSLR live view systems were less optimized for this use?

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Major reason is that the DSLR lenses are optimized for Phase Detection. Every component of the lens is tailored towards quick movement and stopping the glass in precisely picked moment. Contrast detection on the other hand works best with stepper motors capable of quickly switching directions so that you can move lenses inside back and forth looking for highest contrast on the image.

Phase detection knows straight away where the focus is and how much should the lenses move to achieve perfect focus. Contrast detection needs to "find it". This forces different engineering solutions in lenses manufacturing.

Also the DSLRs are usually made with live view as an afterthought. Most of the manufacturers think of it as an manual focus assist. They don't try to create fast AF for video as they know that pro videophotographers usually relay on manual focusing (not that they have any choice with such performance...) while photographers usually use viewfinders anyway. Hence they rarely have dedicated processors for contrast detection, and if the main CPU is occupied with focusing - it doesn't perform as well as dedicated unit.

Also the statement in your question isn't entirely true. Sony's SLT DSLRs have AF that's much faster in live view than Mirrorless, as SLT design basically allows camera to fully utilize it's PDAF (Phase Detection Auto Focus) sensors all the time during live view. So you get DSLR-quality AF with Live view at the same time. Also the older generation of Sony DSLRs offered Quick AF Live View - which never flipped the main mirror up for Live View - instead it used secondary sensor in viewfinder allowing DSLR-quality AF for a price of additional delay before shooting photo (mirror had to flip up in order to capture the photograph).

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Mainly optimization. Contrast-detect AF is inherently different from phase-detect AF: it must sample contrast, move focus, sample again, and hunt for the peak. So speed depends heavily on how quickly the camera can read the sensor, process the data, command the lens, and reverse direction precisely.

Mirrorless systems were designed around on-sensor AF from the start, so both body and lenses were optimized for that workflow. Their sensors can be read very quickly, and some systems analyze focus data at very high rates. Their lenses also tend to use focus motors and control tuned for small, rapid, repeatable movements and quick direction changes, which CDAF needs.

By contrast, many DSLR live-view systems of that era were secondary implementations. DSLR lenses were primarily optimized for phase-detect AF through the viewfinder, where the camera knows which direction and roughly how far to move focus, so the lens behavior and camera processing were not as tuned for iterative CDAF operation.

So yes: faster mirrorless CDAF usually comes from a combination of faster sensor/processor performance plus lens designs better suited to CDAF, not from CDAF being a different technology.

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