Why does my Canon 500D optical viewfinder DOF preview stop changing with lenses faster than about f/2.8?
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On my Canon 500D, the depth-of-field preview in the optical viewfinder seems inaccurate at large apertures. When I press the DOF preview button, there is little or no visible difference between settings like f/1.8, f/2.8, and f/3.5, even though the resulting photos clearly show a big change in depth of field. In Live View, however, the difference is visible.
Why does the optical viewfinder preview stop reflecting the true depth of field with very wide apertures? Is this caused by the focusing screen or viewfinder design, and is there a practical limit around f/2.8 on cameras like the 500D? Do some camera models or focusing screens show wide-aperture DOF more accurately than others?
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Many confused answers here... Eruditass got it right, it's all about the viewfinder. Actually it's mostly the "ground" glass, which is not a ground glass anymore: it's a microstructured glass, optimized for light transmission with slow lenses, not for ease of manual focusing. Something a bit like a Fresnel lens. The eyesight, has nothing to do with this problem, nor the viewfinder coverage, nor the pentamirror or whatever.
Ken Rockwell suggests a simple experiment: "Look through the front of your fast lens at the focus screen. It's black outside the area of the lens that corresponds to f/2.5!". Try it! You will clearly see that no light comes through the outer part of the lens. If light cannot travel one way, it cannot travel the other way: only the light rays that hit close to the center of the lens can get through the eyepiece.
If you want a focusing screen optimized for actually focusing... you may try one of the KatzEye focusing screens. Never tried myself.
Edit: As a followup to Matt Grum's post, here is a picture of a 85/1.4 seen from the front side:
On the left: the lens alone (with my girlfriend holding the aperture open). You can appreciate the extra large entrance pupil (~ 61 mm). On the right, the lens on the camera. Here the camera is holding the aperture wide open, but you only see light coming out from the center of the aperture. It's roughly f/2.8, although the borders of the effective aperture are not very well defined.
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This is mainly a viewfinder/focusing-screen limitation, not a problem with the lens or DOF preview mechanism.
In many modern DSLRs, including cameras like the 500D, the focusing screen is a bright microstructured screen optimized for light transmission and autofocus-era viewfinders, especially with slower lenses. The tradeoff is that it does not show the full effect of very wide apertures well. In practice, the optical finder often stops showing meaningful changes once the lens is opened wider than about f/2.5–f/2.8.
So when you compare f/1.8 to f/2.8 through the optical finder, the screen itself is effectively limiting what you can see, even though the photo is recorded correctly. Stopping down further, such as f/4 to f/8, produces visible changes again, which matches your observation.
Different cameras and focusing screens can behave differently. Some darker screens designed more for manual focus can represent wide-aperture depth of field more accurately, while standard bright screens favor brightness over precision. Live View is usually the better way to judge actual depth of field and background blur with fast lenses.
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