Why does Canon EOS 70D Live View show only one bright star at night?

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I tried using Live View on a Canon EOS 70D (astro-modified) to aim for astrophotography, but with a 24mm lens at f/4 and ISO 12800 I can only see one bright star on the LCD. Magnifying the preview does not help, and changing my actual exposure settings to 20 or 30 seconds does not make more stars appear in Live View. I was hoping to frame the Crab Nebula, but I cannot see it at all.

Is this normal for Live View on the 70D, or am I missing a setting? Can Live View be used for night-sky framing and focusing, and why is it failing on such a dim target?

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The crab nebula is magnitude 8.5. That's very dim. To image very dim deep sky objects like the crab nebula, you're going to have to do things a little differently than your current approach.

Rather than a lens, you almost certainly need a small telescope with a much wider objective than a 24mm f/4 lens, which has an entrance pupil of only 6mm in diameter. A small Newtonian reflector typically has a 10cm primary mirror. That's almost 17 times in diameter and 278 times more area to collect 278 times as much light as your 24mm f/4 lens. It will also typically collect that light from a narrower slice of the sky, which is also what you need for tiny targets such as M1, which has an angular size of barely one-tenth degree (6 x 4 arcminutes). Your 24mm lens shows about 60 degrees of sky diagonally, or about 600X the size of M1. So at best, at 24mm you can hope for the crab nebula to cover only about 10 x 8 pixels on your 70D's sensor.

Even then, you're going to need pretty dark skies to pull magnitude 8.5 objects out of the background sky glow. If your sky is dark enough, longer exposures with a tracking mount can capture such dim objects, but getting them onto the screen in Live View in real time is probably a pipe dream.

What you can do is use the brighter objects nearby (like, for instance, Aldebaran) to aim in the vicinity of your target and then take a test shot and examine the results to see if you're aimed where you want. If you're using a tracking mount set up properly, wherever the scope is pointed will be maintained while you're looking at your test image(s).

You can also use the brightest stars in the sky to manually set focus. I will "barrel sight" my lens at the brightest star in the sky and move the focus ring from past infinity back until the star is visible and as sharp as I can get it. Even with the brightest stars, if they are out of focus by very much the light from them will be spread so thin that you won't see anything at all. I'll then use 5X magnification to refine focus in very small adjustments. I'll then use a slightly dimmer star at 10X to get the focus as sharp as I can.

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This is normal. On the 70D, Live View is not showing a long-exposure preview for the night sky; its refresh/exposure is much shorter (roughly around 1/30 s), so only very bright stars may appear.

The Crab Nebula is also far too dim and small to see in Live View with a 24mm f/4 lens. At 24mm, your lens gathers relatively little light, and M1 is only about 6×4 arcminutes across, so it is tiny in such a wide field of view.

So yes, Live View can help with bright stars for rough aiming or focusing, but not for locating a faint deep-sky object like the Crab Nebula with that setup. For targets like M1, photographers typically use much more focal length and much more light-gathering power, often a telescope or a longer lens, and frame the target by using star charts/platesolving or by aiming from nearby bright stars rather than expecting to see the nebula directly on the LCD.

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