Is a lens’s light-gathering determined only by aperture, or also by physical size?

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I understand that in telescopes, light-gathering depends on the diameter of the objective lens or mirror. That makes intuitive sense: a larger area collects more light.

For camera lenses, though, we usually talk about aperture (f-number). Is the total light-gathering ability of a photographic lens determined only by its aperture, or does the physical size of the lens matter too?

What confuses me is seeing very fast lenses such as f/0.95 that do not always look dramatically larger than some f/2.8 lenses. How does that work physically?

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Essentially yes, light gathering ability of a lens is determined by its maximum aperture. Transmission rates of the materials used also has an effect but it is very small.

You intuition is correct in that you would expect a large aperture lens to have a large barrel, however the aperture is specified as a ratio of the *apparent** size of lens opening divided by the focal length. So a 200mm f/2.0 lens must have a front element large enough to see a 200/2.0 = 100mm aperture, so the barrel must be at least 10cm. However a 20mm f/2.0 only appears to have a 10mm aperture, which is small is comparison to most lens sizes.

To complicate matters wide angle lenses need larger front elements than dictated by their aperture to prevent vignetting across the frame. For focal lengths shorter than about 50mm lens sizes increase as focal length decreases despite apertures, and thus light gathering ability, also decreasing.

Here's nice example, this Nikon lens is only f/2.8:

but is absolutely huge, due to its extreme wide angle nature.

* note that 100mm f/2.0 doesn't mean the physical opening in the middle of the lens is actually 50mm diameter, only that the image of said opening when viewed through the front of the lens appears to be 50mm in diameter. The actually opening is often smaller, but the lens front element has to be large enough to accommodate its theoretical size.

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For photography, exposure is determined mainly by the f-number, not just the lens’s outside size. The key relationship is:

f-number = focal length / entrance pupil diameter

So the relevant “size” is the apparent diameter of the aperture as seen through the front of the lens (the entrance pupil), together with focal length.

That’s why two lenses can look similar in physical size but have very different maximum apertures. A short focal length lens can achieve a very wide f-number with a much smaller opening than a long lens. For example, a 50mm f/0.95 needs an entrance pupil a little over 52mm, while a 200mm f/2 needs about 100mm.

Also, the front element is not always the same as the aperture size. Some lenses, especially wide angles, use larger front elements than the f-number alone would suggest to control vignetting and cover the frame.

Compared with telescopes, photographic lenses are judged by image brightness over a scene filling the frame, so f-number is the practical measure. In real lenses, light transmission losses through the glass also matter slightly, but usually only a little.

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