How much shift can Canon TS-E 24mm and 45mm lenses provide on a Hasselblad X1D II with an adapter?

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I’m considering a Hasselblad X1D or X1D II and already own Canon TS-E 24mm and TS-E 45mm lenses. Their image circles are listed as about 67mm and 58mm respectively. If I adapt them with a mechanical adapter such as a Novoflex while maintaining infinity focus, how much usable shift should I expect on the X1D sensor? Also, what 35mm-equivalent focal lengths would these lenses roughly correspond to on the X1D’s 43.8 × 32.9mm sensor?

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The Hasselblad X1D II has a 43.8mm x 32.9mm sensor. That computes to a diagonal of just under 55mm and an aspect ratio of 4:3 or 1.333:1.

With the two lenses in question, and assuming you want to preserve infinity focus by using the lenses' designed registration distance of 44mm:

  • You'd give up pretty much the possibility of any shift with the TS-E 45mm f/2.8 as you'd only have 1.5mm to spare at each corner of the frame. Most lenses are designed to allow about that much room between the absolute edge of the image circle and the usable portion of the image circle.
  • You'd have a bit more room to play with using the TS-E 24mm f/3.5 L II (be sure and confirm that the measurement you're using of 67mm image circle applies to whichever of the two TS-E 24mm variants you're considering). You'd nominally have about 4.5mm on each corner to play with (4.5mm + 1.5mm = 6mm x 2 = 12mm), but that is in the direction of the sensor's diagonal. If you want to move in a direction that is horizontal with respect to the long side of the sensor, You'd be able to move about 4.8mm in either direction. Moving vertically with respect to the long side of the sensor, you'd be limited to about 6.7mm of movement.

I've taken the liberty of using scottbb's diagram with the addition of the usable portion of the image circle and superimposed light blue rectangles where the image circle would be over the sensor at the limits of usable movement.

Please note: The ratio of the sensor diagonal to the diameter of the image circle in the diagram is approximately 1.414:1, which would mean an image circle of about 78mm if the sensor diagonal is 55mm. (The sensor's aspect ratio is also 3:2 (1.5:1) instead of 4:3 (1.33:1), and the differences between Sw and Sh would be less with a more square sensor). Image circles of 58mm and 67mm, respectively, would be much smaller in relation to the sensor.

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And what would the corresponding focal length be, approximately?

The focal length of either lens will not change, they'll still be 24mm and 45mm lenses. The larger sensor size will yield a wider angle of view than the same lenses would give on a 35mm/FF camera. Your "crop factor" would be roughly 0.8X, so using the 43.8 x 32.9 mm sensor would give similar diagonal angles of view as 19mm and 35mm lenses would give using a 35mm/FF camera. Keep in mind that the aspect ratio is different. The larger sensor is 4:3 or 1.333:1, while the smaller 35mm/FF sensor is 3:2 or 1.5:1, so you'd get slightly more vertical coverage and slightly less horizontal coverage with the Hasselblad after applying the "crop factor" than you would get with a 35mm/FF camera.

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The X1D/X1D II sensor is 43.8 × 32.9mm, with a diagonal just under 55mm. That means image-circle coverage is the key limit.

For the TS-E 45mm (about 58mm image circle), there is very little margin beyond the sensor diagonal, so in practice you would lose almost all useful shift. Theoretical clearance is only around 1.5mm at the corners, which is typically not enough to count on for real shifted use.

For the TS-E 24mm II (about 67mm image circle), you have more room, so some shift should be possible. The exact amount depends on shift direction and acceptable edge quality, but it will be meaningfully less than the lens offers on full frame.

A general way to estimate the theoretical maximum shift is to compare the lens image-circle radius with the distance from the shifted sensor corner to the optical center using the sensor width and height.

For field of view, Hasselblad X format has roughly a 0.79× crop factor versus 35mm full frame. So:

  • 24mm behaves like about 19mm on full frame
  • 45mm behaves like about 36mm on full frame

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