How can I determine the correct order of lens elements in a vintage lens rear group?
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I have a vintage Makinon 35-105mm f/3.5-4.5 zoom that appears to have been opened before. The rear group shows signs of tampering, and after cleaning it I still can't get the lens to focus properly. My concern is that a previous owner may have reassembled some rear elements or spacers in the wrong order, or flipped an element.
Before I start guessing, is misordered or reversed glass a plausible cause of a lens that won’t focus? What other faults should I rule out first? If there is no service diagram available, what is the best way to work out the correct order and orientation of the rear-group elements and spacers without making things worse?
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Note whether there are any symptoms that indicate the elements may be out of order, flipped, or misaligned. There are other reasons lenses may not focus as expected that aren't related to elements being misplaced.
- Focus may need to be calibrated.
- The lens may be soft wide open.
Draw the lens diagram, as you have it. This can serve as a reference if you want to put the lens back to how it was. You may also be able to spot elements in positions that just "look wrong".
Try to find an official lens diagram. Diagrams of similar lenses may be helpful. Or you may find another copy of the lens to inspect.
Trial and error.
Lens groups tend to follow patterns. Some sequences are highly unlikely. The following pages should be helpful:
Lens Rentals: Lens Genealogy Part 1
Lens Rentals: Lens Genealogy Part 2
The first and last element in a group can often be determined by size. The largest element is usually in the front of the group. The smallest element is may be in the middle or rear of the group.
The spacers that are adjacent to elements can also be determined by size.
Elements are usually convex away from the center of the lens or group. However, there are notable cases where elements are flat or concave away from the center.
Glued elements are usually toward the front or center of the group.
Whether elements will hit each other can help determine their order and which way they face.
The above constraints should limit the number of sequences to try.
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Yes—misplaced, reversed, or misaligned elements can prevent proper focus, but they’re not the only possible cause. Other possibilities include focus calibration issues, general softness wide open, or other mechanical misalignment.
If you proceed, first document everything exactly as found: draw a diagram and note each element’s position, orientation, and every spacer ring. That gives you a known starting point in case you need to undo changes.
The best next step is to find an official optical/service diagram. If none exists, diagrams of similar lenses or another copy of the same lens may still help. Comparing the arrangement to common lens-group patterns can also reveal combinations that are unlikely to be correct.
Without documentation, trial and error may be the only option, but it should be systematic: change one thing at a time, test, and record results. Pay attention to signs that an element looks flipped or seated incorrectly.
So your theory is plausible, but don’t assume element order is the only fault until you’ve ruled out calibration and other alignment issues.
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