Do tiny scratches on a lens rear element noticeably affect image quality?

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I’m considering buying a Mamiya G 50mm f/4 lens that appears to have a few tiny scratches on the rear element. The marks are only visible from certain angles, and I’m seeing conflicting advice ranging from “no effect” to “unusable.” In general, how much do small rear-element scratches affect image quality? Are the most likely issues reduced sharpness, flare, or problems when stopping down? If possible, what test shots should I ask the seller to provide before buying?

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The only way to know the effect of particular marks on lens elements is to take test images with different settings and lighting conditions.

For this particular lens, I would expect the marks:

  • May be limited to the coating and have no discernible effect on image quality.
  • May be visible when the lens is stopped down.
  • Could cause glare or flare when used in strong lighting conditions.

Ask the seller for some sample images:

  • With lens stopped down completely, a plain-white surface. Such an image will be most likely to show shadows of the marks. It will also show unrelated lens and sensor dust.

  • With lens wide open, a colorful object next to a window during daylight. This will show the extent of veiling glare, which may or may not be related to the marks. This will show the worst veiling glare that you can expect from a particular lens.

  • A sun star, with the lens stopped down and focused at infinity. This will show veiling glare, flare ghosts, and other flare, which may or may not be related to the marks. Some lenses that show horrible veiling glare with an object next to a window have no veiling glare in this scenario.

  • Some other pictures of ordinary subjects in ordinary shooting conditions, to see how the lens performs normally.


The following appears to be the generally received wisdom regarding marks on lens elements. The inconsistent information you have seen may be incomplete or confused. I have observed most of these effects, but there may be additional factors I have missed.

  • Marks that scatter light are more likely to affect image quality than marks that block light. (Coating of oil vs scratches.)

  • Light-blocking marks on the rear element are more likely to affect image quality than marks on the front or internal elements.

  • Light-blocking marks are more likely to be visible when the aperture is stopped down. Small marks would be expected to show up around F11. Larger marks might show up sooner.

  • Light-blocking marks in the center of an element (at any aperture) are more likely to reduce sharpness or contrast than marks around the periphery.

  • Light-blocking marks may appear (at any aperture) in images as veiling glare or flare.

  • Light-blocking marks may be visible (at large apertures) within bokeh balls.

  • Cleaning marks, often limited to the coating, may not be apparent in images at any aperture.

I would not expect sensor size or film format to change the aperture at which effects are observable. However, the perceived effect may be smaller, relative to frame size, on larger formats. Consider what would happen if a lens were moved from one format to another without changing settings or camera position. Details seen in the smaller format should still be present in the larger format.

Some lens characteristics, like certain types of flare, (reportedly) show up on digital, but not film, because the sensor is reflective or otherwise responds to light somewhat differently. This could affect the visibility of rear-element scratches on images as light reflects between the sensor and rear element.

Some people claim that filling in scratches with ink will reduce flare caused by scratches. I have not seen any positive effect when I've tried it. What I did see is increased visibility of scratches within bokeh balls.

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Usually, tiny rear-element scratches have little to no visible effect in normal shooting. Small marks often matter far less than people expect, especially if they’re only visible at certain angles and may be limited to the coating.

The most likely real-world issues are:

  • slight flare or veiling glare in strong light
  • possible visibility when the lens is stopped down a lot
  • little or no noticeable sharpness loss most of the time

It generally takes much more damage or obstruction than a few tiny scratches before image quality is obviously degraded.

The only reliable way to judge this specific lens is to test it. Ask the seller for:

  • a stopped-down photo of a plain white surface, which can reveal shadows from marks
  • a wide-open photo of a colorful subject near a bright window or strong light, which can show flare/veiling glare

Medium format doesn’t automatically make scratches irrelevant, but based on the answers here, these tiny marks are more likely to cause occasional flare-related issues than make the lens unusable.

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