Can studio strobes be triggered by an on-camera flash instead of radio triggers?
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I use a Sony flash system where an on-camera flash can trigger a compatible remote Sony flash optically. Can studio strobes/monolights for umbrellas or softboxes also be triggered from an on-camera flash so I can avoid buying separate wireless triggers and receivers?
I’m asking about manual flash use only, not TTL. Do most strobes offer a built-in optical slave mode, and if one flash fires, will that usually trigger the others? What are the main drawbacks or compatibility issues with relying on optical triggering from an on-camera flash?
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You're talking about a number of different things here. But first off, using your Sony HLV flash off-camera with your pop-up as master is a different system than typical "optical slaving." While this is optical and light-based, it's a proprietary signalling system that uses a series of light flashes to communicate information (which is why this system can support TTL, HSS, and remote power control), rather like morse code light blips. This is multiple pre-flashes, and that will typically make this system completely incompatible with any other "dumb" (manual-only) optical slave system, like the one you'll find on most studio strobes/monolights (which is what I'm interpreting you mean by "strobes for umbrella/softboxes; speedlights can use umbrellas and softboxes, too, y'know and also classify as strobes).
However. Nearly all monolights, even the cheap Chinese ones, typically come with a "dumb" optical slave sensor in it. It's rarer to find them in speedlights, but quite a few of the 3rd-party manual-only flashes incorporate them, too. This basically works as a sensor that turns a fast bright light pulse into an electrical signal that sets off the flash. The only signal it can convey is the "fire" signal, so it's a manual-only trigger. And it can be tripped early by any pre-flashes, although some of these slaves are now built with a way to fire on the second flash it sees, so it can use a master flash signal that's TTL with a single pre-flash (i.e., in whatever flavor of TTL your camera system uses, but NOT in "wireless master/slave" mode, which would emit multiple preflashes).
The drawbacks are the usual ones with any optical triggering system: range, line-of-sight, and being overpowered outdoors. The sensor must "see" the light signal. If there is anything blocking the master signal from the sensor panel, the signal won't get through, and it won't fire. Outside in bright sunlight, the signal might be overpowered and not register highly enough over the ambient light, and the signal is lost. And if the master signal is very far away, again, the signal might be lost. These triggers work best in studio conditions, where there are bounce surfaces to relay the signal if there's no direct line of sight, and where the master flash pulse will be considerably brighter than the ambient lighting.
This is why we like radio triggers; no line-of-sight requirements (just a lack of radio interference), and the range and reliability are better than with optical slaves--especially outside in the daytime.
Studio strobes also typically do not have PC sync ports--these days they mostly seem to use 3.5mm headphone minijacks/plugs to convey the sync signal.
See: Strobist posts: A walk around the Monobloc, pt. 1, and pt. 2.
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Yes—many studio strobes/monolights can be fired with a built-in optical slave, which simply detects another flash and triggers the strobe. If one flash fires, the others with optical slave sensors can often fire as well.
But Sony’s on-camera/remote flash control is not the same thing as a basic optical slave. Sony’s wireless system uses coded pre-flashes for communication, and those pre-flashes can make it incompatible with “dumb” optical slaves on studio strobes. In other words, a studio strobe may fire at the wrong time or not behave as expected if triggered by a Sony wireless-control flash sequence.
Drawbacks of optical triggering:
- line-of-sight matters: the slave sensor must see the triggering flash
- other photographers’ flashes can trigger your strobes
- the on-camera flash may contribute unwanted light to the photo
- reliability can drop if sensors are blocked or the trigger flash is too weak/poorly aimed
There isn’t one universal standard for optical slave behavior across all systems. If a strobe has optical slave mode or a sync connection such as PC sync, it may work well in manual setups—but Sony’s proprietary optical wireless mode is a separate system from standard studio optical slaving.
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