Can Sony wireless TTL optical flash triggering be used with simple optical slave flashes?
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My Sony speedlight can only be triggered off-camera through Sony’s optical TTL wireless system. I’d like to add other speedlights or monolights that have optical slave modes, including modes that can ignore a preflash.
Does a camera’s TTL optical flash trigger always look like a single preflash to an optical slave, or can systems like Sony wireless TTL send multiple flashes/signals that a simple optical slave may not interpret correctly?
I’m trying to find out whether a Sony speedlight used off-camera in TTL can reliably be mixed with other optically triggered lights, or whether these systems are generally incompatible.
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Basically, you're talking about two different types of optical slaving/triggering, and they tend to be incompatible with each other.
The system that your Sony flash/camera uses to trigger the flash off-camera is a proprietary wireless TTL system. This involves multiple pre-flashes, because the camera is actually communicating most of the hotshoe/foot protocol to the flash over a series of light flashes: communicating the TTL preflash/metering information, setting things like the flash power, setting the sync mode, zoom, and the sync signal itself. Think of it like morse code blipping to communicate a packet of information.
By contrast "dumb" optical slave systems are a simple see-flash-fire-flash scheme. A sensor trips the flash. Sometimes, this type of slave can also be set to ignore a single preflash (i.e., fires on the second burst it sees). This is because if you use non-wireless TTL, there is only a single preflash that the camera meters in order to set the flash's power. So some "dumb" slaves can be used with an on-camera or pop-up flash that's set in TTL. But this supposes that the wireless-TTL communication scheme is NOT being used.
There are a number of flashes that have this "dumb" slave built in—Nikon, Metz, Nissin, Yongnuo, Lumopro—a lot of 3rd party and particularly manual-only flashes have this feature built in. You can also add them on—typically via the PC port or the flash's hotshoe [and depending on which Sony hotshoe your flash has, this may also require a hotshoe adapter]. But the main problem with this kind of triggering is that it's "manual-only"—that is, the only signal that's communicated to the remote flash is the one to fire at a certain time. There is no control over the power. No TTL capability. Possibly no 2nd curtain capability. No way to set the zoom. Everything must be set directly on the remote flashes themselves.
In addition, optical slaving has weaknesses: namely, range and line of sight. The sensor panel of the flash has to "see" the mastering burst that's telling it to fire—the flash cannot be blocked from that flash, and must be facing towards it—or towards a bounce surface that can relay the master signal. So, placing the flash behind the camera if your pop-up flash is the master can be problematic. Shooting outdoors without bounce surfaces can be problematic. Modifiers can be problematic, and you're more limited on where you can place the flash. Outdoors in bright sunlight the master signal may also be made fainter by the strength of the sunlight, so the range gets smaller.
This is why radio triggers are preferred by most people who do off-camera flash. The line of sight requirements go away, and the range and reliability are much better than with optical triggering systems, and these days, radio triggers cost just as much as optical slaves and hotshoe adapter combinations.
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No. Sony’s optical wireless TTL system is not just a single preflash followed by the main flash. It uses multiple rapid light pulses to communicate settings and timing, plus a metering flash and then the exposure flash.
That means it is different from a simple optical slave system, which usually works as “see a flash, then fire,” with some slaves able to ignore one preflash. A basic optical slave may trigger too early or misinterpret Sony’s TTL pulse sequence.
So in general, Sony optical TTL wireless and “dumb” optical slave modes are different systems and are often incompatible.
One community test showed Sony’s sequence included multiple bursts before the exposure flash. Another test showed a simple slave flash could fire from the Sony body flash in a basic slave mode, but that does not mean reliable compatibility with Sony wireless TTL signaling.
If you want dependable multi-light use, assume Sony optical TTL triggering will not behave like a single-preflash trigger for generic optical slaves.
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