Can a small-format lens be used on an 8x10 large-format camera?

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I'm building a low-budget 8x10 large-format camera and wondering whether a lens designed for a much smaller format could work. I know I may be able to achieve focus by changing the lens-to-film distance, but will a small-format lens produce a usable image on 8x10 film? For example, could a lens from a small camera such as a Smena be adapted, or is image coverage the limiting factor? I'm also interested in low-cost alternatives since some large-format lenses and shutters are expensive.

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Focus is not the issue here. The issue is coverage.

Any lens gathers light from a cone in front of it (angle depending on the focal length), and projects it to a cone behind it (angle depending on coverage). So long as the lens is far enough away from the film plane, there exists some plane in the real world that will be focused on the film plane.

But...in the case of your SMEMA lens, designed for 35mm format photography, focused at infinity, the projection cone will end up covering approximately a 22mm radius circle. To cover the full 8x10 format, you would need coverage of at least 180mm (both calcs, see Pythagoras).

Also, being a 40mm lens, the lens would have to be placed 40mm (approx, from focal centre point) from the film plane. If you look at how your camera is setup, you'll see that it is expecting lenses to be mounted approximately 200mm away.

You could mount the lens further away, and as the light projected is a cone, it would cover more of the film. Huzzah! Oh, but that would then mean the focus getting closer and closer into the extreme macro. Napkin calculations. at 400mm extension the lens would have enough coverage. At that distance, the magnification ratio would be about 10:1, and the focal distance might be closer than the design of the lens would allow. Oh, and you'd need to dial in 7 stops of exposure compensation at that extension (more coverage implies less light per unit area), so good luck focusing on the ground glass.

No shortcuts here, I'm afraid. Larger format cameras require lenses with sufficient coverage. Yes, copal shutters at this size are expensive. For a cheaper alternative you could use in conjunction with your Soviet glass, trying searching for a 'Thornton Pickard' shutter that can be situated behind the lens.

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A small-format lens can usually be made to focus, but focus is not the main problem — image coverage is. Lenses project a circular image, and an 8x10 camera needs a very large image circle to cover the whole sheet. A lens made for 35mm or other small formats will typically cover only a small central area, leaving most of the 8x10 frame dark or unusable.

A Smena-type lens is especially unlikely to work well for 8x10 because it was designed for a much smaller format and has a short focal length. Even if it focuses, it will not cover the format properly.

For 8x10, a practical rule of thumb is to use a lens with a focal length around the format diagonal, and with an image circle large enough for the format. If you're experimenting on a budget, better candidates may come from old projection equipment or some very simple long-focus lenses, since these may produce a larger image circle than a small-camera lens.

So: yes, it can focus in principle, but in practice a small-format camera lens is generally not suitable for 8x10 because it won’t cover the film.

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