Why does my Hoya ND8 filter cause a blue color cast and exposure change?
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I’m testing a Hoya ND8 (3-stop) filter and the photos don’t match shots taken without it. Compared with the same scene unfiltered, images with the ND filter look underexposed by about 0.7 stop and the white balance shifts much cooler, roughly 1500 K, giving a bluish cast.
Is this normal for ND filters in general, or is it more likely the camera’s metering/auto white balance being fooled by the filter? What’s the best way to test this properly?
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This question made me curious, so I tried an experiment using one HD polarizer and 3 ND filters (HMC ND8, Pro 1D ND16 and HMC N4D00) and a white-balance and color-chart.
My first observation is that the camera produces highly varied results when left to its own, particularly with exposure.
Using Multi-Segment metering:
- The HD polarizer gives a +1 EV delta which is perfect.
- The ND8 gave a +2 EV delta which is one stop short.
- The ND16 also gave a +2 EV delta which is two stop short.
- The ND400 also gave a +2 EV delta which is way too short, which suggest I reached the metering limit of the camera.
Under the same conditions with Spot metering:
- The HD polarizer gives a +1 EV delta which is perfect.
- The ND8 gave a +2.5 EV delta which is half a stop short.
- The ND16 gave a +2.5 EV delta which is 1.5 stops short.
- The ND400 gave a +3.5 EV delta which is way too short again. This shows the limit of spot metering to be lower than multi-segment.
Manually setting the exposures to the correct amount according to the strength of the ND filter gives perfectly consistent results in terms of exposure but shows variations in white-balance.
Given a filterless exposure of F/4 1s ISO 200:
- The HD polarizer needed 2s and had virtually no effect on white-balance. I knew this actually since it was the reason I sold my B+W filters which gave terrible color-shifts and replaced them with Hoya HD Polarizers.
- The ND8 needed 8s for the same exposure. White-balance however became noticeably more green. The grey patch on the color chart with RGB values (199, 199, 199) unfiltered became (189, 202, 179).
- The ND16 needed 16s for the same exposure and had absolutely 0 effect on white-balance, keeping the grey patches all perfectly neutral.
- The ND400 was exposed for 401s which gave the same brightness but gave results a slight bluish tint. The RGB (199, 199, 199) patch became (199, 213, 216), so actually less red.
In observation is seems the ND filters are well calibrated in terms of exposure but the camera struggles with lower light levels. Other than the ND16 Pro 1D (and HD Polarizer), these ND filters seem to have an effect on color. Having no multiple copies of the same one, I cannot say if this is a sample variation or simply properties of the filter.
The only thing to do to get WB perfect is to shoot RAW since the reduced light-levels do not allow a Custom WB reading to be made with the filters on under moderate light conditions at least.
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A slight color cast or exposure mismatch can happen, but your camera’s auto systems are a likely cause.
From the shared tests, exposure varied a lot when the camera was left to meter automatically, and some ND filters did not produce the expected compensation. That suggests metering can be confused by dense filters, especially depending on metering mode and camera limits.
Auto white balance can also shift noticeably when a filter changes the light reaching the sensor. That can make the image look cooler/bluer even if the filter itself is fairly neutral.
Best test: shoot in full manual. Set shutter, aperture, ISO, and white balance without the filter, take a reference shot, then add the ND filter and adjust only exposure by the expected amount for the filter strength. Compare the results. If the filtered image is still blue with fixed white balance, then the filter likely has a color cast. If not, the camera’s auto metering/WB was the issue.
So: no, all ND filters are not identical, but a big shift like this often comes from auto exposure and auto white balance rather than the filter alone.
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