Why does my Helios 44-3 bind on an M42-to-Canon EF adapter while my Takumar mounts crooked?

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I bought a Super Takumar 35mm f/3.5, a Helios 44-3 f/2, and an M42-to-Canon EF adapter for use on a Canon EOS 5D. The Takumar mounts and works, but it always ends up rotated noticeably off-level. The Helios focuses normally off the camera, but once mounted the focus ring becomes very stiff, and if I force it the lens starts unscrewing from the adapter. Is this caused by the wrong type of adapter, or is it a known fit issue with some Helios 44-3 lenses/adapters?

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This thread on forum.mflenses.com concerns the same issue, and seems to answer the question.

Poster SonicScot has the same problem and shows how it is caused by the focus ring extending further than the inner ring on the lens, which is supposed to touch the adapter.

Clearly the focus ring is in the way of the adapter. I'd like to know if there's a way of moving it.

According to other posters in this thread, this is an issue with some Helios 44-3 lenses. As a result, you are only tightening and loosening the lens from the adapter when rotating the focus ring.

Poster alex1967 suggests buying a more expensive adapter like the Rayqual M42 to Canon EOS adapter.

Save some money and invest to high quality Rayqual and eliminate the problem. My Helios 44-3, S/N ******* works just fine, but will have the same issue as discussed above with cheap adapter.

Images of that adapter shows it has a hollow front end as opposed to flat on other widely available adapters. Perhaps that will be enough to fit the additional length of the focus ring. However, there is no confirmation that this adapter will work on all Helios 44-3 models and the Rayqual adapter is quite expensive. I have found one cheaper adapter type on eBay that has a similar hollow front end, but the hollowness stop a bit further from the edge. Comparing these images with where the focus ring touches the adapter I already have, it's difficult to tell whether either of these adapters will work. It would be a tight fit.

Poster hpmickey refers to this post on pentaxforums.com, suggesting to sand the additional length of the focus ring. That suggestion seems like it would work, but requires making alterations to the focus ring.

Update

The cheaper adapter did not work. I misread the picture. It doesn't provide any more room than the other cheap adapters.

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This sounds like a fit/tolerance issue, not a Canon 5D problem. From the reports cited, some Helios 44-3 copies have a mechanical design where the focus ring protrudes far enough to interfere with certain M42-EF adapters. When that happens, turning the focus ring effectively turns the whole lens against the adapter, so it binds or starts unscrewing.

Your Takumar mounting “crooked” also points to the adapter’s machining/indexing rather than a wrong mount standard. M42 lenses are screw-mount, so final rotational alignment depends on the adapter’s thickness and tolerances.

So: you likely do have the correct adapter type (M42 to Canon EF), but not an ideal one for that Helios. A better-made adapter is the usual fix; one answer specifically mentions higher-quality adapters such as Rayqual working properly with a Helios 44-3. If the lens still binds with a quality adapter, then that particular Helios copy may simply have this known clearance issue.

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