Why do my GH1 night photos show heavy noise at ISO 320/640 and 15–25 second exposures?

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I’m shooting night scenes with a Panasonic GH1 and seeing a lot of noise in the dark areas, even at relatively low ISO settings. My examples were shot at 20mm with these settings:

  • f/11, ISO 640, 25 seconds
  • f/6.3, ISO 320, 15 seconds

I used Aperture Priority mode. The scenes were fairly dark, and one image was taken before the moon came out while the other was taken under a partly moonlit sky.

Is this level of noise unavoidable in low light, or are there settings or techniques that can reduce it? Would using a higher ISO actually help? Does slight underexposure make the noise worse, and should I rely on long-exposure noise reduction or post-processing/stacking?

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This question is probably best answered in two parts.

Part1:

You may need to increase the ISO to combat noise. This sounds counter intuitive due to common misconceptions regarding noise.

Noise is principally caused by lack of light. Lightsources emit photons randomly, the more photons you collect, the more the randomness averages out, leaving a smooth image. Fewer photons -> more random -> lots of grain.

All increasing the ISO does, is amplify the signal (and noise) you get from the sensor prior to digitization. It doesn't create noise, and as it amplifies the signal and noise by the same amount the signal to noise ratio remains the same. Needing to amplify the signal implies you have a weak (and hence noisy) signal to begin with, hence the association with high ISO and noise.

Noise is also introduced when trying to read the analogue signal. By amplifying before reading you add a small amount of read noise to a big signal, with little effect. By shooting at a lower ISO (keeping the other settings the same) you amplify less, to you add a small amount of read noise to a small signal, giving you a worse result by lowering ISO.

Part 2:

Reducing read noise by upping the ISO will help, but the primary problem you have is lack of light. You need to get more light down the lens, by either opening the aperture, or increasing the exposure time.

If increasing the exposure time/aperture causes other parts of the scene to be too bright (to the point where they show up pure white) then you have an additional problem that the dynamic range (the difference between the brightest and darkest parts) of the scene is too high, this can be fixed by using graduated filters, or by combining multiple exposures.

If you have a static(ish) scene I would recommend shooting several identical 25s exposures and then averaging them in software to reduce the noise. This is analogous to having one very long exposure, except without problems due to overexposure of certain areas. This is how most good DSLR astrophotography is done.

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What you’re seeing is mostly a low-light/underexposure issue, not simply an “ISO too high” problem. Noise is strongest in shadows because those areas received very little light. If the image is underexposed and then brightened later, the noise becomes much more visible.

A higher ISO does not create the underlying noise by itself; it mainly amplifies the weak signal the sensor captured. So if the scene is very dark, low ISO won’t necessarily look cleaner.

Things to try:

  • Expose more to the right without clipping highlights: give the sensor more light if possible.
  • Use wider apertures when depth of field allows; f/11 is quite restrictive for night shooting.
  • Check whether the GH1’s long-exposure noise reduction is enabled; it uses a dark-frame subtraction that can reduce fixed-pattern/hot-pixel noise.
  • Avoid assuming intermediate ISOs are best; some cameras perform best at full-stop values like 200/400/800.
  • If the scene is static, shoot multiple frames and stack/average them to reduce noise.

So yes: underexposure can absolutely be the reason, and ETTR is relevant here. Some denoising in post is normal, but better exposure and stacking usually help more.

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