What lens and settings create shallow-depth night street portraits in snow?

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I’m trying to recreate the look of some nighttime street photos shot in falling snow, with a very shallow depth of field and natural-looking perspective. I’m using a Nikon D3100 with a 35mm f/1.8, but my results don’t look as blurred in the background.

Is this look typically made with a telephoto lens, or is it more about using a very fast lens and a larger sensor? What focal length/aperture would usually be used for this style?

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I'm going to take a wildass blind guess, but doing an image search on Google which led to WrongRob's Instagram and then his website, it looks like he shoots with a Leica M, which has a full frame sensor in it. So my guess would be that the thin depth of field may have been created with a Noctilux 50mm f/0.95 lens. Whatever apertures he's using, if he's shooting with a wide or normal lens at regular subject distances, he's using an extremely wide aperture: probably f/1.4 or wider.

I can only achieve a similar look using a 5DMkII with an adapted Olympus OM-mount Zuiko 50/1.2 wide open, and the other side effect of having such a wide aperture when shooting "available dark" means that you can gather enough light for the exposure to make things look like they're lit, when you're just using street lamp illumination. A 35/1.8 lens on APS-C can't achieve the same DoF unless used much closer to the subject, but at that point, would be unable to do the same framing. I don't think a telephoto lens was used--the perspective isn't "flattened" enough to my eye (well that and the fact that Leica street shooters tend to favor wide-to-normal lenses). The look is actually reminiscent of medium format. I might have wild-guessed Brenizer method, except falling snow would make that problematic.

The amount of background blur you get relies on a number of factors, of which aperture is possibly the least important, but the most easily controlled. These factors are:

  • camera to subject distance. The closer you are, the more blur you get. That's why macro shooters sometimes have to focus stack to get a deeper DoF, even stopped down into the f/16-f/22 range. This is, in fact, more important than sensor size, as you can see by shots of mine on full frame and on crop with the same 50/1.2 lens, wide open.

  • focal length. The longer the lens, the more blur you get.

  • subject-to-background distance. The farther away from the background the subject is, the more the background will blur.

  • aperture used. The larger the aperture, the more background blur you get.

A larger format sensor/film can appear to have a thinner depth of field, because to achieve the same composition as you would on a crop body, you'd either have to a) use a longer lens, or b) get closer to your subject, or both.

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It’s probably not a telephoto look. Based on the examples discussed, this style is more likely shot with a normal focal length and a very wide aperture on a full-frame camera.

Typical choices would be around 50mm on full frame, or about 30–35mm on APS-C, but used at very wide apertures such as f/1.4, f/1.2, or even wider. The wide aperture does two things: it makes the depth of field very thin and also lets in more light for night shooting.

Compared with your D3100 + 35mm f/1.8, a full-frame camera with a faster lens can produce noticeably shallower blur at the same framing. On APS-C, you’d usually need to move closer to your subject to get a similar depth-of-field effect.

So the key factors are:

  • very fast lens
  • larger sensor helps
  • normal focal length for natural perspective
  • close subject distance

A zoom can’t really be identified from the photos alone, and a flash may or may not have been used, but it isn’t necessary for this kind of look.

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