What aspect ratio were 1960s slides meant to be, and why do some scans have black borders?

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We’re scanning a batch of family slides from the 1960s. Many look like standard 35mm slides at 3:2, but a large number appear slightly taller, with black masking/borders that make them look almost 5:4 when scanned. Some also show rough black fringing at the edges.

What aspect ratio would these slides originally have been intended for? Were slides from that era always 3:2, or were other formats commonly mounted in the same 2x2 slide mounts? And is the extra black area likely from the film format, slide mount masking, or the scanning process?

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Standard 35mm full frame size was 24 x 36, which gives you the normal 3:2 format. If the 5:4 ish ones are a larger area than the normal 36x24mm slides, they may be transparencies from 127 film, which allowed images up to 40x40mm to be fitted in 2" x 2" slide mounts (the same size as 35mm film slides). These larger slides were known as "superslides" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/127_film#Superslide).

If the film area is the same size as the normal 35mm 3:2 images, but just with a black border, there are two possibilities: They may have been copied from 8 x 10 (or 20 x 16 (see note 1)) inch prints, or (if home mounted, or commercially processed with a clip shut plastic mount that can be opened and resealed) may have been masked down to that aspect ratio for artistic reasons.

Back in the film days, I used to do that with some of my slides - you could buy special slide mounts with a metal mask built in, or make your own mask from tinfoil (or possibly paper or card, but tinfoil was (a) opaque, and (b) non flammable - potentially important given that projector lamps can run pretty hot...).

You could also get APS slide film for the short lived APS cameras - these allowed a choice of the different APS aspect ratios, but - although they used the same 2" x 2" mounts, the film area was significantly smaller than 35mm.

note 1: 20 x 16 was a common size for mounted prints for photo society competitions (in the UK, at any rate - though that's probably shifted to the metric near equivalent (40 x 50 cm?) these days.)

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Most slides from that era were standard 35mm transparencies, with an image area of 24×36mm, so the intended aspect ratio was usually 3:2.

But not every 2×2 mounted slide was 35mm 3:2. Other formats could be mounted in the same projector-sized slide mount, including square 126 slides and larger 127 “superslides.” So if some scans look taller or nearly 5:4, they may be a different film format rather than poorly cropped 35mm.

If the actual image area is still about the same size as normal 35mm slides and you’re just seeing black around it, that border was likely added by the mount, by masking for presentation, or because the slide was copied from a print with a different aspect ratio. Rough black fringing can also come from the film edge, mount opening, or scanner overscan.

So: 3:2 was the normal standard for 35mm slides, but square or other masked formats were also common in 2×2 mounts. Crop based on the visible image content and mount opening, not on a single assumed ratio for the whole batch.

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