Should off-center AF points still focus correctly with a lens that has field curvature?

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Some fast normal/wide lenses are said to have noticeable field curvature. I’ve also seen reports of lenses like 30mm f/1.4 or 50mm f/1.2 seeming accurate with the center AF point but front-focusing with outer AF points, even when people test carefully (tripod, good light, no focus-and-recompose).

In theory, should an off-center AF point still focus correctly at its selected location regardless of field curvature? Or can field curvature itself cause the outer AF points to misfocus?

If outer points are inconsistent, is that more likely due to AF point coverage/contrast selection, calibration, or alignment issues rather than the curved focal plane itself?

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The AF system is designed to focus on the highest contrast within the active coverage area(s) of whatever focus point(s) is(are) selected. If the nature of the lens is one that emphasizes the curvature of the focal plane, then the selected focus point should still be properly focused and the areas at the other focus points might be either front or back focused as a result.

I think you are dealing with two primary issues regarding the Canon 7D.

  • The first is that where you think the focus point is, marked by that little square in the viewfinder, is nowhere near the entire area of sensitivity for each focus point. The camera will focus on the point of highest contrast for any part of the actual coverage area for a given point. If there is an area of higher contrast in the coverage are beyond the actual square in the viewfinder, the camera will focus on the higher contrast area for the full coverage area of the focus point(s) you have selected.

Here is a map of the 7D AF system.¹

7D AF map

The diagram at the top shows the points as they appear in your viewfinder, with identifying numbers added to the left of each point. The middle left chart shows which areas of the focus array at middle right apply to each focus point (please note that the light falling on the focus array is directed by a set of micro-lenses when the light enters the focus array, so the physical arrangement of the points does not directly correspond to a specific point in the viewfinder). The vertical elements for point 1 are a5 and b5. The horizontal elements for point 1 are a2 and b2. The diagram at the bottom shows the actual areas of sensitivity for each of the much smaller points displayed in the viewfinder. When you have the far left point selected (point 1 in the top diagram), the area of sensitivity includes everything in the horizontal and vertical blue rectangles that pass over that point. Notice that the horizontal line for point 1 is shared with point 3 and the area of sensitivity for point 1 extends completely to point 3! Also notice that all of the area of horizontal sensitivity is directly over or to the right of point 1, there is no horizontal sensitivity extending to the left beyond the viewfinder square for point 1.

  • The second issue is that the length of each strip on the focus array, and the distance from the corresponding "other half" determines the sensitivity of that point.

That is why the center point is the most sensitive. The distance between the far ends of a6 and b6, or a7 and b7 is much greater than the distance between the far ends of a1 and b1 that provide horizontal sensitivity for point 2, but at least point 2 has much longer vertical coverage using lines a4 and b4. If you look at point 1 (the far left point mentioned in your question), both a2/b2 and a5/b5 are relatively short. This allows the point to work nearer the edge of the light circle (remember, light falls off as you move from center to edge, especially with shorter focal lengths and wider aperture) but it also means the point will be less sensitive.

The Canon 7D is not unique in the way multiple focus points share parts of the same lines on an AF array. Most of the pro grade bodies and many of the pro-sumer and advanced enthusiast cameras that use an ever increasing number of focus points do the same thing. Learning to harness and use these advanced focus systems, compared to the more rudimentary ones used in entry level DSLRs, is as large a step as learning the ins and outs of the metering systems and exposure options on a DSLR compared to a point and shoot.

For a look at how this works out practically when shooting, see this entry from Andre's Blog.
For a look at how AF accuracy can vary from shot to shot, see this entry from Roger Cicala's blog at lensrentals.com. With the shallower depth of field (DoF) obtained when using wider apertures, there is less room for error and often the standard deviation of an AF system will exceed the DoF for a given focal length, aperture, and subject distance.

If there is a significant difference between the left and right side of your camera's AF system, this is an indication something is out of alignment. The prime suspects are usually the lens mount flange on the camera body (even a variation of as little as 25-50µ from one side of the flange to the other is enough with modern sensor/lens resolutions to be detectable in photos taken at wide apertures), the focus array alignment, or the alignment of the sensor itself. The alignment problem could also be in the lens, although this is usually more common with zoom lenses than primes.

¹ Most other PDAF systems with a higher number of AF points are similar. The 7D AF system (which used the same hardware as was later used in the 70D) is a good example to use to illustrate how such AF systems work because with 19 AF points, all of them cross type, it is not so complex as to be unwieldy to diagram.


From the comments:

From all the shots I've taken with this lens, I do see some variation (yes, more at the edges) but I'm not seeing back-focussed images; always front-focusing with the edge AF points. If it's a misalignment in my body, then I'd expect it to show up on a 50mm/1.8 similarly to the 30mm f/1.4, right? Unless it's an effect that is somehow masked at 50mm but not 30mm... For the same ~3-6m distances with my 50mm, there's no obvious bias in the focus for centre vs outer points... That said, I still don't understand the mechanism/miscalibration that would make the lens (rather than body) fail this way.

The 50mm is significantly longer than 30mm, the 30mm must be retrofocal due to the 44mm flange distance, and f/1.8 to f/1.4 is 2/3 of a stop. All of those things add up.

I think you are discovering that the DoF is narrower at extremely wide apertures than the shot to shot range of deviation of the 7D focus system. As stated in the answer above, if there is a difference between left and right, there may be an alignment issue as well.

After testing with 3 different bodies, and a different lens (50mm f/1.4), I'm convinced that (a) you're right about shot-to-shot deviation, but it's much more varied with that specific lens than the 50mm f/1.4 (b) it has nothing to do with the curvature of the focal plane, as I had originally thought (c) the lens I got does have some problem with AF on the left, as all three cameras showed a front-focus bias with that lens (d) it's not just the thin DoF being hard to use, as even at f/2 it's reliably out of focus using the far-left AF sensor (only on this lens).

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Field curvature by itself should not make an off-center AF point inherently front-focus. The AF system is supposed to focus the selected area at that point in the frame; it does not need to “know” the lens’s curved field to do that.

What field curvature does affect is what else in the image appears sharp once that chosen point is focused. So the selected off-center point can be correct while other parts of the frame look front- or back-focused because the lens’s best-focus surface is curved rather than flat.

If an outer AF point consistently misses while the center point is fine, more likely causes are:

  • the real AF sensor coverage being larger than the small viewfinder box, so it may grab higher-contrast detail nearby
  • differences in AF point performance or sensitivity
  • lens/body calibration, alignment, or tolerance issues
  • weak testing technique or unsuitable targets

So yes: outer AF points should still be able to focus correctly at their location. Persistent errors with outer points are not well explained by field curvature alone.

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