Is there a modern lossy format that preserves most RAW flexibility while saving space?
Asked 9/14/2015
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JPEG is much smaller than RAW, but it throws away a lot of tonal and editing latitude from modern 14-bit camera sensors. Is there a newer image format or workflow that offers substantial space savings over RAW while still keeping most of the benefits of RAW editing? I'm especially interested in formats that can use either lossless or carefully tuned lossy compression, and whether this is already used in camera-maker RAW files or in post-processing formats like DNG.
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Realistically this is a solved problem and manufacturers have been doing it in similar ways for some time.
Raw files from Canon and Nikon (and probably others too) use a JPEG-Wide variant that is similar to normal JPEG but capable of 16bpc. As it is essentially working on a monochrome image it only has to deal with 1 channel per pixel (and the conversion to RGB is processed later). This is the best place for savings in the workflow as less data in means less data out, plus any compression artefacts will be more likely to show up in the RGB image as a little chroma noise which we tune out quite well.
This means that the problem is not with the OP's correspondent's workflow but with their tooling. Essentially what they've done is bought a sports car and now refuse to drive it fast because of the cost of fuel.
So, if you want to convince them to use raw then you need to show that the value of the extra information in shadows and highlights is worth the extra time/space needed for dealing with the file formats that hold the information. However, if they think the speed is more important to them than ability to work in post then there will be little you can do to change their minds.
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Yes—this is largely already solved. Many camera makers compress RAW data internally, and some RAW formats use JPEG-like compression on the sensor data before demosaicing, which saves space while preserving most of RAW’s editing flexibility.
For a user-facing archival/workflow format, DNG is the main modern answer. It supports:
- lossless compression: smaller files with no image data lost
- lossy compression: even smaller files, but with some reduction in editing headroom
If the goal is to keep maximum flexibility, lossless-compressed DNG is usually the best balance. If storage matters more and you can accept some limits in extreme edits, lossy DNG can be a practical compromise.
So the issue often isn’t that no suitable format exists—it’s more about software support and workflow. JPEG is still much more restrictive than RAW/DNG for heavy editing, while compressed RAW or DNG gives better space savings without giving up nearly as much image information.
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