How much light do vintage Petzval lenses lose to transmission?

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I’m trying to estimate the transmission/light loss of an original 1800s-style Petzval lens. Has anyone seen transmission tests for these lenses, or is there a reasonable rule of thumb for uncoated Petzval designs? I’m also interested in whether practical lens speed differs from the marked f-number.

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As a rule of thumb, loss is generally assumed to be about 4% per glass to air interface in uncoated lenses. So you will have a transmission of 0.96 per interface.

A true petzval lens has six glass to air interfaces and two cemented glass-glass interfaces. Likely, the cemented interfaces do not make a major contribution to loss unless the cement hasd become visibly defective.

So if we take the transmission of 0.96 to the power of six, we get appx. 0.78 - which means an overall light loss of around a half stop. This would often not matter much depending on the film/sensor used, even more if adapted to a camera with internal metering. An externally metered camera should be compensated a half stop slower.

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Published transmission tests for original Petzval lenses are uncommon, so a rule-of-thumb estimate is usually the practical approach. For uncoated optics, light loss is often estimated at about 4% per glass-to-air surface, or roughly 96% transmission per interface.

A classic Petzval design has about six glass-to-air surfaces, plus two cemented glass-to-glass interfaces. The cemented interfaces usually contribute little unless the cement has deteriorated. Using 0.96^6 gives about 0.78 total transmission, so around 78% of the light gets through—roughly a half-stop loss.

In practice, that means a vintage uncoated Petzval may have a T-stop about 1/2 stop slower than its f-number suggests. If your camera meters through the lens, this usually doesn’t matter much. With external metering, compensating by about half a stop is a reasonable starting point.

Also, “speed” is not just transmission: the effective speed depends on the actual aperture and lens design. Historic Petzvals could be quite fast for their era, but transmission and true working speed are not identical concepts.

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