How can I meter correctly with a manual-aperture Samyang lens on a Canon EOS 650 film body?
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I'm using a Samyang 85mm f/1.4 with a Canon EOS 650 film camera. The lens has a manual aperture ring and no electronic communication with the body. On my Canon 550D, metering is easy because I can watch the exposure scale in the viewfinder, but on the EOS 650 the camera only shows a recommended setting, assuming an electronic EF lens that stays wide open for metering.
With the Samyang, stopping the lens down changes the light reaching the meter, but the camera doesn't know the selected aperture. As a result, the indicated aperture/shutter recommendation seems misleading. Is there a reliable way to meter with a manual lens on an analog EOS body like this? Would exposure compensation work consistently, or do I need a different approach?
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I will recommend three possible solutions to your problem:
1) Shoot in Manual mode using an external light meter to obtain the correct settings.
2) Use the camera's internal light meter with the lens wide open to obtain the correct settings. When when you stop down the lens, do the mental math, or use a chart, to set the correct shutter speed in Manual mode.
3) Add an advanced Programmable AF Confirm Chip to the lens mount so that the camera will communicate with the lens. You can stop down the lens and then the camera in Av mode or manual mode will be able to properly communicate with the lens.
I use these chips with my manual focus lenses mainly because I can program the focal length and aperture into the chip so that it shows up in the EXIF data. With a DSLR I always shoot in manual mode and review the image to get the right exposure. Theoretically any of these programmable chips should allow more accurate metering. I have experimented in Av mode with these 3 Programmable chips but I have only found one that seems to give consistently accurate results.
The Adplo AF chip can be programmed to report any focal length and aperture. it also allows you to adjust the camera aperture using the aperture wheel on the camera. In Av mode I set the camera aperture to match the lens's wide open aperture. As I stop the the lens, the camera seems to know what shutter speed to select for accurate exposure.
In my experience the Big_Is AF chip (factory default programmed to 50mm f/1.4) allows you to change the camera aperture but does not seem to communicate with the lens for accurate exposure in Av mode.
The Tagotech "Dandelion" or "Euro" AF Confirm chip can be programmed to any focal length or aperture but does not allow you to set the aperture in the camera. This chip also does not seem to give consistently accurate exposure in Av mode.
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Yes—this is a normal limitation when using a fully manual, non-electronic lens on an EOS film body. The camera cannot know the lens aperture, so its metering assumptions for native EF lenses no longer apply.
Practical options:
- Use Manual mode with an external light meter.
- Meter with the lens wide open, then stop down and adjust shutter speed yourself by the same number of stops.
- Add a programmable AF-confirm chip to the lens adapter/mount so the camera gets aperture/lens information; this can make Av or Manual metering behave more predictably.
A fixed exposure-compensation value is generally not the right solution, because the error depends on how far you stop the lens down. In other words, it is not a constant offset.
So the most reliable workflow is either external metering or wide-open metering followed by manual stop-down compensation.
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