How can I clearly compare Sony NEX-F3 image quality to Nikon 1 J1?

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I’ve read that the Sony NEX-F3’s larger sensor should deliver better image quality than the Nikon 1 J1, especially in low light. In my own casual tests, though, the difference isn’t obvious. What’s a straightforward way to compare the two cameras so the larger sensor’s advantages are easier to see in real photos?

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In theory, there should be two areas where the larger sensor provides a noticeable benefit:

  1. It should have an advantage at higher ISOs. You should see less noise, and higher ISO overall may be an option.
  2. There should be more fine detail overall, but so many factors play into this that you're only likely to be able to discern the difference in controlled test shots.

In fact, it is the case that the Sony NEX F3 goes up to ISO 16000 while the Nikon 1 J1 tops out at 3200 (with a 6400 "boost" mode). You can look at pixel-level crops from test images from reviews like this one at dpreview where it's visibly clear that the ISO 6400 images from the Sony are more clear, particularly showing less chroma noise). But, to my eye, the Sony images just one step up at ISO 12800 are worse than the Nikon ones at 6400, so it's not like they're on the other side of the world from each other.

You can also see more in the DPreview test images at lower ISO, and the resolution numbers in the two reviews (1 J1, NEX F3) back that up. The 1 J1 review specifically notes the Sony NEX cameras as having "significantly higher" resolution. If you're making photographs where detail is important and you are using a tripod and high quality lenses and you are making large prints, this is an important consideration.

Additionally, there are some other intrinsic effects. Assuming you print at the same size, images from the smaller sensor will have more depth of field. (More will be in focus.) This isn't about image quality, but it may be something to think about when looking at the different systems (and especially when comparing lenses).

Since the sensors used in these cameras are both very good, in many conditions, you won't really be able to tell which is better. If no one can reasonably tell the difference in image quality, for all practical purposes it doesn't exist. Therefore, you should make the decision between these cameras based on something else. Ergonomics is a big one, of course, but the most important of all is the lens lineup for the system. Currently there are more NEX lens options than NIKKOR 1, but in both cases the selection is relatively small, and it may be that the smaller system happens to have just what you want.

This is a huge flaw in the Snapsort comparison you link to. "2x more lenses" doesn't mean a thing if the lens you prefer is in the smaller set but not in the larger one.

The "image quality" comes from DxOmark's technical measurements. The lens number is just kind of silly, but it is horribly irresponsible and misleading of Snapsort to represent the DxOmark number in the way they do. You'll gain a more useful understanding by actually looking at the charts on DxOmark, but still should take it with a grain of salt. Particularly, the image quality of all cameras in this range is on the order of amazing to excellent. The scale inflates the difference, making it look like the issue is C- vs F, which is completely ridiculous. It's true that one can (even without pixel-peeping) see some quality diffences between various cameras these days, but taking the score (or even the technical tests in all of their detail) in isolation is not helpful. Taking the DxOmark number and coming up with the claim of "30% better image quality" can really only be described as bull excrement.

(I should add that it looks like they've changed the wording of another technical measurement, color depth. Here, it says "distinguishes 1.2 more bits of color", where previously I believe they auto-translated that into a dramatic but practically meaningless claim like "distinguishes 3.8 million more colors". I once was in a cave in Germany which claimed to have "the most colors of any cave in the world". Turns out they were all boring browns and grays.)

Anyway, complaints about Snapsort aside: you can clearly see the difference in test samples in any review. However, both cameras are excellent and both are lauded for their image quality. Unless you have specific, special needs, this should not be your deciding factor.

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A larger sensor usually shows its advantage most clearly in two areas: high-ISO noise and fine detail.

The simplest test is a controlled comparison:

  • Shoot the same scene with both cameras.
  • Use a tripod and similar framing.
  • Match exposure as closely as possible.
  • Test several ISO settings, especially higher ones.
  • Compare 100% crops on a computer, not just full images.

What to look for:

  • At higher ISO, the NEX-F3 should show less visible noise, especially less chroma/color noise.
  • It may also preserve a bit more fine detail, though that can be harder to see because lenses, processing, focus accuracy, and settings all affect sharpness.

In practice, the difference may not be dramatic at low ISO or in casual viewing. The larger sensor advantage tends to become more obvious in difficult light and at high ISO settings. Based on the shared answers, review comparisons show the Sony looking cleaner at ISO 6400, while the Nikon is limited much lower. So if you want to demonstrate the Sony’s advantage, low-light high-ISO testing with pixel-level crops is the most straightforward way.

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