Does the Ricoh GR II’s APS-C sensor offset its slower lens and lack of stabilization versus the Sony RX100 III?

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I’m comparing two compact cameras: the Ricoh GR II and the Sony RX100 III. The Ricoh has a larger APS-C sensor and a fixed 28mm-equivalent f/2.8 lens with no image stabilization. The Sony has a smaller 1-inch sensor, but a 24–70mm-equivalent f/1.8–2.8 lens with image stabilization.

I understand that a larger sensor can help with low-light image quality and shallower depth of field, but the Sony seems to gain light through its wider aperture and stabilization. For general handheld shooting, does the Ricoh’s larger sensor make up for the slower lens and no IS, or does the Sony usually have the practical advantage?

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Image stabilisation is relevant mostly for countering the effects of small rotations around several axes. For the overall picture, the effect of those rotations is roughly proportional to the effective focal length (but for pixel peeping, the effect grows again with the resolution). For larger sensors, one tends to have more and longer glass for the same effective focal length which stabilises by its weight. However, holding large weights when not close to the body tends to cause more of an arm musculature tremor when not using at least a monopod.

I have an old DSC-R1 camera without image stabilisation, an APS-C class sensor (crop factor 1.67 I think), only 10MP of resolution and a maximum effective focal length of 120mm, at a weight of about 1kg. At speeds of about 1/5s you have a moderate amount of success with photographs given enough practice. You can add about 1.5kg for a teleconverter giving an effective reach of 200mm. Arm shake at this weight becomes an issue.

Basically for longer focal lengths foregoing image stabilisation with handheld shots is really going to become problematic in my experience. However, in contrast to my old camera, current large sensor offerings have large usable ISO ranges so you often can use exposure times short enough that image shake is not a significant problem, and as a side benefit object movement is then not a problem either.

So if you are leaning towards a camera without image stabilisation, have a very good look at its high ISO performance and maybe also about the ability to work with external lighting (like on-camera and off-camera flash).

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Not entirely. A larger APS-C sensor generally helps with noise performance and can give shallower depth of field, but that doesn’t automatically cancel out a faster lens and image stabilization.

In practical handheld shooting, the Sony often has the advantage because:

  • its lens is wider at the short end (f/1.8 vs f/2.8), letting in more light
  • it has image stabilization, which helps you use slower shutter speeds for still subjects
  • it also offers a 24–70mm equivalent zoom, while the Ricoh is fixed at 28mm equivalent

The Ricoh’s larger sensor should give better image quality at the same ISO, but for sharp handheld shots in low light, stabilization plus a wider aperture can outweigh that benefit, especially with static subjects. The Ricoh is still strong if you value APS-C image quality, a simple wide-angle shooting experience, and don’t need zoom.

So for general shooting, the Sony is usually more forgiving and versatile; the Ricoh may give better image quality in some conditions, but it does not fully make up for the slower lens and lack of IS on its own.

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