Does background blur change with focal length when subject framing stays the same?

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If I photograph the same subject so it fills the frame equally with two lenses — for example a 50mm f/1.8 and an 85mm f/1.8 — I have to stand farther back with the longer lens. In that situation, depth-of-field calculators show very similar DOF for the subject. But what about the background, especially if it is far behind the subject or effectively at infinity? Will the longer focal length produce more background blur even though the subject framing and aperture are the same?

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The formulas don't account for factors that cause real lenses to deviate from the ideal. Formulas are from Wikipedia.

  • Depth of FieldDOF stays the same because distance to subject (u) is in the numerator and focal length (f) is in the denominator. They are both squared, so changes that are proportional to each other cancel out. Here is the standard formula for DOF:

    DOF = 2 u2 N C / f2

    N = aperture F-number
    C = circle of confusion
    u = distance to subject
    f = focal length

    All of the advice people give to minimize DOF are in the formula – use larger apertures, use longer focal lengths, and get closer to the subject.

  • Background BlurThe amount of blur does change with focal length even though the subject is kept the same size in the frame. Although focal length (f) is in the numerator and distance to subject (s) is in the denominator, the changes don't cancel out because they are modified differently by distance between subject and background (xd). Here is a formula for amount of background blur:

    b = f ms xd / (N (s + xd))

    b = blur
    f = focal length
    N = aperture F-number
    ms = subject magnification (what's this?)
    xd = distance between subject and background
    s = subject distance

    WayneF explains magnification ratio:

    Magnification is just ratio of distance behind lens (focal length) / distance in front of lens... See [Circle of confusion] for a simpler formula, including for infinity.

    Since ms is "subject magnification", it is focal length (f) / subject distance (s). The blur formula can be rewritten: b = f2 xd / (N s (s + xd))

    As the subject-background distance increases, xd/(s + xd) approaches 1. The formula simplifies to: b = f2 / N s

    If the changes in focal length (f) and subject distance (s) are proportional, to maintain subject size within the frame, background blur is proportional to f/N. If we consider a superzoom 18-200/3.5-6.3, we can see that background blur at 18/3.5 (5.14) is less than at 200/6.3 (31.75). For my 18-55/2.8-4 kit lens, the amount of background blur at 18/2.8 (6.43) is about half that at 55/4 (13.75).

    Maximum background blur on variable-aperture zooms is usually at max focal length rather than max aperture (with minimum focal length) because zoom ratios are usually greater than 2, while the max-aperture ratio is usually less than 2.

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Yes. With equal subject framing and the same f-number, subject depth of field can be very similar, but the amount of blur in the background is not necessarily the same.

DOF calculators mainly tell you the range that appears acceptably sharp. They do not tell you how blurred objects outside that range will look. When you switch to a longer focal length and move back to keep the subject the same size, that change roughly cancels out for the subject plane, so DOF stays close.

But the background does not scale the same way. A distant background is still magnified more by the longer lens, so blur discs in the background appear larger in the final image. The effect is stronger when there is significant distance between subject and background.

So, for the same framing and aperture:

  • subject DOF: about the same
  • background blur amount: usually greater with the longer focal length

This is about amount of blur, not the quality of bokeh, which depends on lens design.

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