Do I need a 70-300mm in addition to an 85mm for outdoor portraits on a Nikon D810?

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I shoot with a Nikon D810 and currently have a 35mm f/1.8, 24-70mm f/2.8, and 85mm f/1.8. My main goal is outdoor portraits with blurred backgrounds and bokeh, using real locations like streets or graffiti walls rather than a studio.

I was considering adding a 70-300mm, but I’m unsure whether it would actually help for this kind of work, or whether my 85mm already covers what I need. I’m also wondering if it makes more sense to skip the 70-300mm and wait for a better telephoto zoom such as a 70-200mm f/2.8. Budget is under $1000.

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The name is Ken. Not Simon.

The quote from the article feels like "oh hey, he mentioned an 85 and I do have an 85, too, so this must be totally the same situation...", but it's not.

If you are looking for

non-studio places like [...] a graffiti wall in a street

as backgrounds, will a more tele lens be helpful? I doubt it.

Basically speaking, the longer the focal length, the less background you get in your image. Using a 300mm lens defeats the point of going out and finding these non-studio locations to a certain degree, because you are showing substantially less of them in the image.

After all, you are making a simple studio shot more complicated, by replacing what could be a small colorful backdrop with a giant wall in some street of which the lighting is probably not under your control.

If non-studio is really the goal here, then you do not want to simply fill the area around the head with some arbitrary colorful blur. You want to fill this area with a distinct background. The background is in a way a subject of its own. Not the main one though.

If these portraits are not staged, it gets even worse. The 70-300mm is twice as big as the 85mm and twice as heavy (roughly). You will be recognized as a photographer more easily. A "portrait" made with a 300mm or other very long lens will show a distance to the subject. It's not like you get that intimate moment at the other end of the street with the longer lens, because you are in fact at the other end of the street which reduces the intimacy of images dramatically, you wouldn't be close enough, and if you're not close enough, you will remember how that quote starts.


tl;dr

  • non-studio = wider/normal/slight tele focal length, not longer; because background/surroundings matter
  • your stuff is awesome for what you want to do
  • spend the $1000 to find even more interesting non-studio places, hire assistants, models, etc. instead of buying gear
  • if you still feel like you want the 70-300mm, rent it

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For your stated use—environmental portraits with attractive background blur—your 85mm f/1.8 already makes more sense than a 70-300mm.

A longer lens can blur backgrounds more, but it also narrows the field of view, so you show less of the location. If part of the point is using a graffiti wall or street as context, 300mm can work against that by compressing and excluding too much of the environment.

On a D810, image quality also matters. The 70-300mm is generally not the best match if you want your camera to fully shine, and you may end up wanting to upgrade later.

If you want a telephoto zoom for portraits, waiting for or buying used higher-end options is the better path. The community suggestions were Nikon’s 80-200mm f/2.8D/AF-S or the older 70-200mm f/2.8G VR (pre-VR II), both of which are stronger portrait-oriented choices than a 70-300mm.

So: for now, keep using the 85mm for portraits; skip the 70-300mm unless you specifically need its extra reach for other subjects.

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