Canon 7D Mark II wildlife upgrade: EOS R7 or R6 Mark II for lighter birding and macro kit?
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I currently shoot wildlife in Thailand with a Canon 7D Mark II and would like to move to mirrorless for lighter lenses and better eye-detect autofocus. My main wildlife setup is a Canon 300mm f/2.8L IS USM and a Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 OS HSM with 2x converter. Because of back/spine issues, this kit is becoming too heavy for handheld stalking.
I also shoot macro (insects, spiders, garden subjects) with a Canon 100mm Macro L and flash setup, and my existing 7D Mark II would likely stay in that role.
I’m trying to choose between the EOS R7 and the EOS R6 Mark II. The R7 seems appealing because it keeps the APS-C reach advantage for wildlife and would leave more budget for lenses. I’m considering starting with the RF 100-400mm f/5.6-8 IS USM as a lighter option.
For someone primarily shooting birds, larger wildlife, and some macro, is the R7 the better fit, or is there a strong reason to go full-frame with the R6 Mark II instead?
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I've been considering a similar switch, and I think maybe the R7 has the edge here for a wildlife shooter, but I do agree, it's difficult to decide between the two, and they're pretty evenly matched, since both cameras have:
- Digic X processor
- animal eye detection/tracking autofocus
- in camera focus-stacking [handy for flower macros]
- very high burst rates 30 fps/40 fps between R7 and R6 II
- dual card slots
- IBIS
- a joystick
- dual-wheel prosumer controls
- they're close on size/weight
- articulated LCD
Both, however, lack a pop-up flash. And neither has a top-deck LCD, things you may be used to having on your 7D II.
Sidenote: most folks are trying to decide between an R8 and an R7, given that they're both the same price in the US ($1500, body only). And in that case, it's more R7 for the features (IBIS, joystick, dual card slots, in-camera focus stacking etc.) vs. R8 for the full frame.
Why the R7 might better:
- Higher resolution (33MP vs. 24MP). While this will lower dynamic range and high ISO noise performance, for a wildlife/bird shooter, being able to crop with less detriment is always a bonus.
- Crop factor can help you achieve more apparent "reach" with shorter/smaller/cheaper lenses than crop. On full frame, all your lenses look 1.6x shorter. So, say, the RF 800mm f/11 DO IS STM on an R7 will have 1280mm equivalence; and the RF 100-400 f/5.6-8 IS USM has 160-600mm equivalence.
- Lower pricetag new (US$1500 vs. $2500) so you'll have $1k more to spend on lenses.
- Easier to find on the used market and refurbished (at least here in the US at this moment; a refurb R6 II is back ordered, while the R7 is in stock).
Why the R6 II might be better:
- Full frame (though this can also be more of a PITA for wildlife/birding (needing 1.6x longer lenses to frame equivalently) and macro (thinner DoF, because longer lenses or shooting from closer)
- Of the 30 or so R-mount lenses Canon has released at this time [Sep 2023], only three of them are RF-S (crop-specific). The array of native lenses is far more complete for full frame. While a crop shooter can use full-frame lenses; right now there are lenses you can get for R full frame you cannot get for R crop: an ultrawide zoom, a pancake lens, and an f/2.8 walkaround zoom. Yet.*
- The AF performance will be stickier/faster, because the R6 II has faster sensor readout, and with mirrorless, there's only one sensor doing all the work of image capture, metering, and autofocus.
*This is likely a temporary situation; remember Canon has EF-M crop mirrorless optical designs to leverage. If you look at the three RF-S lenses, they appear to be tweaked versions of EF-M designs. The RF 18-45 from the EF-M 15-45, the RF 18-150 from the EF-M 18-150, and by extension, the RF 55-210 from the EF-M 55-200. Which is probably how Canon could release all three lenses in one year. If Canon "ports" the EF-M 11-22 and EF-M 22/2 pancake designs to RF-S, then two of the three missing types are ticked off the list. However, Canon never made an EOS M f/2.8 walkaround zoom, so it's likely starting from the EF-S 17-55/2.8 design would take more time due to the greater mount depth difference. But if you need one of these types of lenses right now for an R crop body, your only option is to adapt EF-S lenses like the 10-18, 24/2.8, and the 17-55/2.8.
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For your use, the R7 sounds like the more natural fit. The community view was that for wildlife shooters, the R7 has the edge, while the R7 and R6 Mark II are otherwise quite closely matched in capability.
Both bodies give you the main mirrorless benefits you want: Canon’s newer animal eye-detect/tracking AF, very fast burst shooting, IBIS, dual card slots, joystick-style controls, articulated screens, and in-camera focus stacking that can also help for flower/macro work.
Coming from a 7D Mark II, the R7 also keeps the APS-C format many wildlife shooters prefer for apparent extra reach, and it should let you put more budget toward lighter lenses such as the RF 100-400mm.
The R6 Mark II is still a strong option, but based on the answers provided, there wasn’t a clear wildlife-specific advantage big enough to outweigh the R7’s crop-sensor appeal for birds and similar subjects.
A few handling notes: neither camera has a pop-up flash or top-deck LCD, which you may notice coming from a DSLR workflow.
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