Can Sony’s in-camera ND filter app replace a physical ND filter?

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I have a Sony A7R II and noticed an in-camera app marketed as an ND filter. From what I understand, it lets you define zones in the image and blend different exposures, similar to a graduated ND effect. Is there any practical difference between using this app and using a real ND or graduated ND filter? In what situations would the app work well, and when would a physical filter still be necessary?

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Is there any practical difference with a physical filter?

For the most part, in most typical "I need a 1-, 2-, or 3-stop ND grad filter" scenarios, there's not really a practical difference between the results the filter app can produce and what can be done with a set of ND grad filters.

However, there are some interesting differences, where certain shooting scenarios would benefit with either the app or physical filters.

Where the Sony app wins out:

  1. The Sony app can define 3 regions. This is like being able to define a filter's "stop" region (where the full rated filter amount is applied", "pass" region (where no filter amount is applied), and the transition region. With physical filters, you would typically need to stack a ND filter with an ND grad filter to get some amount filtering in both the "pass" and "stop" regions. Or perhaps you would stack two graduated ND filters with opposite transition directions. This app appears to mostly replace the need for multiple ND grads.

  2. The Sony app can define the transition regions to "tee" into each other. This is subtle, but this provides a capability the cannot be achieved with graduated ND grad filters. Here's an example from Sony's site:

    Sony ND filter app example
    Sony ND filter app example, by Sony Corporation. Used under fair use for educational purposes.

    Notice how the diagonal line dividing regions 1 and 2 terminates at the line dividing both regions from region 3. That cannot be achieved with physical graduated ND filters.

  3. Convenience. This filter app can replace a large collection of ND grad filters, sunrise/sunset filters, reverse ND grads, etc., for most typical uses of graduated filters. This is a huge advantage where you need to hike far to get your landscape or nature shot requiring ND grads.

Where physical filters win out:

  1. When you need large ND values, such as when you are aiming for long-exposure effects (smoothing out water, clouds, etc.). For long-exposure photography, in-camera exposure control (shutter speed, aperture, ISO) is not enough. There is simply too much light coming into the lens to rely on in-camera exposure controls, without giving up too much. You can only set ISO so low, and can only stop down the aperture to a certain point (without also trading off depth of field and diffraction limitations) in order to increase the shutter time. This is where 6-, 10-, 13-, and 16-stop ND filters (such as Lee's "Big Stopper" series) come into play.

  2. Related to the previous point, if you were to combine a physical big stop ND filter (say, 10 stops) with Sony's ND filter app, you would need to take two long exposure shots (as Sony's ND filter app takes multiple photos with different exposure settings to blend them together).

Not sure which way the advantage breaks:

  1. Physical filters mounted on the camera make you look "pro". =) While that is a bit tongue-in-cheek, this has some real-world effects. Anecdotally, when I am composing with filters, I find that people often tend to move out from in front of the camera more often than when I don't have filters mounted. Many times, people confuse the filters with a video matte box, and assume I'm shooting video.

  2. People tend to stop and ask questions about the filters. If you like talking to people about photography, this is a bonus. If you don't like the interruption or attention, obviously this is not a bonus. I go either way, depending on how much time I have, how much time I've invested in preparing for a certain shot, etc.

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The app is closer to a graduated ND simulation than a true neutral-density filter. It appears to let you define image regions and combine different exposures, which can mimic the effect of an ND grad for scenes like bright skies over darker foregrounds.

A physical ND or ND grad still has advantages:

  • A real ND filter actually reduces light reaching the sensor.
  • That matters when you need longer shutter speeds, such as smoothing water or blurring clouds.
  • The app cannot help if the goal is simply to cut light before exposure.

Where the app may be useful:

  • Simulating graduated ND effects without carrying filters.
  • Adjusting multiple regions and transition areas more flexibly than a fixed physical grad.

Limitations of the app:

  • It likely requires a static scene because it blends exposures.
  • Setup may take longer than simply using a filter.
  • Moving subjects or changing light can cause problems.

So: for grad-ND-style balancing in still scenes, the app may work well. For true light reduction or long-exposure effects, you still need a physical ND filter.

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