Can part of a slide image be desaturated to black-and-white on film?
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I shoot color reversal (slide) film and would sometimes like only part of the frame to appear much less saturated, ideally neutral black-and-white, while the rest stays in color. Is there any practical way to do this in an analog workflow, either on the film itself after processing or during printing/duplication?
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Fully developed color film contains no silver. Bleach in the process converts developed silver into soluble silver that is then removed by the fixer. What remains in the film is cyan, magenta, and yellow dyes. These create all color and density you see. Applying a bleach for the dyes to film post processing will result in fading of the image, not desaturation. Greys in color film are a result of equal amounts of the three colored dyes. This is called a chromagenic grey.
If you desire a neutral grey, this would be an additive process not a subtractive one. proper amounts of retouching dyes, painstakingly applied to the film to shift colors towards grey. So if an area of the film is red, cyan would need to be added to that area to bring the color to neutral grey. Because it's additive, it would also increase density in the area.
Such a feat on camera film would be incredibly difficult. When we used to retouch on film, a large format inter-positive would be made. Essentially an 8x10 11x14 or 16x20 "slide". The larger format would make retouching possible.
A more feasible direction would be to shoot the image in black and white then hand tint the areas to add color, much in the way old black and white prints would be colored by hand. This could be done directly on film using retouching dyes - if you can find them, or on black and white prints using Marshall Photo Oils and Marshall Pencils that are specifically made for the purpose.
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Not directly on the processed slide. In color reversal film, the final image is made of cyan, magenta, and yellow dyes; the silver is removed during processing. So post-processing chemicals won’t selectively “remove saturation” to create neutral gray—trying to bleach dyes will mostly just fade the image.
A true gray in color film is equal amounts of all three dyes, so changing a colored area to neutral would require adding complementary dye very precisely, which is essentially retouching and is impractical for most work.
The traditional analog way is indirect: make a mask and use it when printing or duplicating the slide. Photographers sometimes created black-and-white positive or negative masks, then sandwiched the mask with the slide to control contrast and apparent saturation in selected areas. This was more common with large-format film and motion-picture printing than with 35mm, because alignment and precision are difficult.
So: on-film selective desaturation is not really practical; masking during optical printing/duplication is the classic analog solution.
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