Are there 4x5 super-wide lenses that allow significant rise/fall for architecture?
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I shoot 4x5 architecture and want a very wide lens (around 50mm or shorter) while still having useful rise/fall movements. Most super-wide 4x5 lenses I find have image circles around 160–166mm, which seems to leave little room for shift on a 4x5 frame. Is there any practical alternative for getting strong rise/fall with such wide coverage, or is this fundamentally limited by lens design and image circle?
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They don't exist. They can't exist, really. 120 degrees is about as far as rectilinear designs seem to go.
If you wanted that Super Angulon 47XL to cover more than 166mm it'd have to be wider than 120 degrees.
Shift is identical to off-center cropping.
But somehow people understand "cropping narrows your field of view" better than they understand "shooting a lens on a format small enough to permit shift narrows your field of view"
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For 4x5, this is mostly a fundamental limitation. A 4x5 frame already needs roughly a 160mm image circle just to cover the format, so a 50mm-class lens with only about a 160–166mm circle leaves very little room for rise/fall. To get much more movement, the lens would need a much larger usable image circle, which is extremely difficult for such ultra-wide rectilinear designs.
In practice, shift/rise is just using an off-center portion of the image circle. If the circle is only barely large enough for 4x5, there isn’t much movement available.
A few practical points:
- Image circle specs are often given at a certain aperture (commonly around f/16), and stopping down may give a little more usable coverage.
- Manufacturers’ image-circle ratings can be conservative, and some falloff may be acceptable depending on use.
- Center filters can help with corner light falloff, but they do not create a larger image circle.
- Rear tilt/swing are less demanding than rise/fall in terms of image circle.
So the viable alternative is usually to use a smaller film/sensor format if you need a very wide view plus substantial shift, accepting that the effective field of view changes.
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