Are lens optical designs really secret, or can they be reverse-engineered?
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Manufacturers often publish simplified lens diagrams, but not the full optical prescription needed to completely analyze the design, such as exact spacings, element powers, and some surface details. Since a lens can in principle be measured, X-rayed, and disassembled, is there really any proprietary secrecy in lens design? If so, what parts of a lens design are typically considered sensitive, and where does competitive advantage usually come from: the optical design itself, manufacturing processes, materials, or mechanical implementation?
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In general there are no secrets to lens design. Everything important, all breakthroughs, etc., are shared publicly or semi-privately with modification through patents, conferences, papers, etc. There are "temporary secrets" where something is closely guarded until it is published: For example, we have completed the final piece of the puzzle in free-form design without limitations imposed w.r.t. a form of symmetry, but it is not information we have shared yet since it is part of a Ph.D., and IP protection is very important.
When it comes time to publish, everything is laid out in patents, for example the Nikon 24 mm f/1.4G patent lays out the entire optical prescription for all to see. It is completely correct, except for the aspheric coefficients on at least the front-most asphere being fudged. The design is extremely sensitive to that asphere, so there is no way to brute force optimize your way to the correct coefficients easily from the ones given. The second asphere may also be fudged. The first one is what allows the lens to have such a wide angle of view at all while the second one is to enhance performance. With the former being incorrect the design fails altogether while the latter simply causes bad performance.
Zeiss also used to publish the Zeiss Index of Photographic Lenses through about 1950 that detailed each patent and lens in their production.
Different manufactures favor different design choices, though I cannot say for certain I know why. Zeiss tends to favor more "elegant" design solutions with more "fundamental" element shapes and design forms. Leica frequently uses the uncommon Merte surface (see page 40). In general Leica also pares things down to as few elements as possible with rather extreme designs in terms of surface curvatures.
Canon and Nikon frequently use what boils down to a double gauss master lens with a wide angle attachment in front of it to design high-speed wide-angles like the 24 mm/1.4G, 24 mm/1.4L.
Things like how to speed up autofocus (get the smallest element(s) you can to move for focusing) are also wide-spread knowledge. Perhaps the best kept secret is to pay the price for Code V (several thousand USD/month/user) in lieu of Zemax (about $35,000 per user) for its vastly superior tools for tolerancing a design and prepping it for manufacture.
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There can be some secrecy, but usually it is temporary rather than permanent. In lens design, major ideas and breakthroughs are often disclosed through patents, papers, and conferences. Patents can reveal a lens’s optical prescription in great detail, though some details may remain protected until filing or publication.
A finished lens can also be reverse-engineered. Its spacing, moving groups, element shapes, and even materials can be investigated through imaging, disassembly, and analysis. So a successful commercial lens is not a black box forever.
That means competitive advantage is not only in hiding the design. It often comes from a mix of:
- the optical formula itself,
- timing and IP protection before publication,
- manufacturing methods and tolerances,
- glass and aspherical production quality,
- assembly precision and quality control,
- mechanical systems like focus and zoom mechanisms.
So yes, optical design can be proprietary for a time, but the industry does not rely on absolute secrecy. In practice, both the design and the ability to manufacture it reliably and economically matter.
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